Supported video cards & performance of PR 2023 beyond my system spec
I am using a Windows PC with a GEForce GTX 1050ti video card. I recently updated the driver after putting up with poor performance for years. PR 2022 has worked well since that driver update. I recently upgraded to PR2023 and after forgetting to apply the Video card to the 2023 version and suffering terrible editing lags and crashes, thought I had the application performing well.
Today it has begun crashing on loading files for edit and has become unusable. I thought the answer might be to uninstall and reinstall. To be sure of a clean install I deleted the previous exe. and went to ON1 website to download a fresh exe. I noticed the alert to supported video cards and checked it out. It seems ON1 has upgraded to a higher level of video cards (Open GL 4.1 and above) no doubt because of the grunt needed for AI edits.
I have therefore reverted to PR 2022.
I am very disappointed but accept that such programs must inevitably move beyond my 2016 model PC.
Good luck.
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Victor, I'm running a GTX 1050 on my laptop and although 2023 kind of chugs along, it does run without crashing, although it runs very hot. I do have 16 gigs of memory on this machine which I think is needed with 2023. The driver I'm using is dated 7/12/2021.
I think ON1 needs to do some optimization on 2023 so it's not so power hungry.
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Thanks Keith.
My driver is dated 21/7/22 and has worked very well with PR2022. I also have 16Gb of Ram and 4Gb of VRAM so I had expected it to be OK. They are now receommending more. The guidance says only GTX 1070 is supported. All other drivers are apparently Open Gl 4.1 and above. I think the GTX 1050 is Open 3.1.
I have always found PR to be resource hungry, but I am reluctant to return to Lightroom.
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Encouraged by you Keith I reinstalled PR2023 but it looks dicey. First it crashed when trying to launch from the last command of the Install Wizard. I then changed the Dvidia setting to apply PR2023 for my video card. PR23 then opened, cautiously?! Here is hoping.
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Ok, it has now gone into 'not responding' mode when I try to open an image in develop mode and hangs, which means I must end task in Task manager (Windows10). Three times, then on the fourth it just crashed. I will submit a ticket and see whether the issue is the video card being incompatible or not.
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Victor, sorry to hear of the problems. I took a look at the video card specs and it would seem that it should run, but who knows. One last thing I would suggest is to make sure Windows is using the 1050 and not the low-end on-board chip. You can check that Settings > System > Display > Graphics then browse to the On1 2023 exe.
I'll bring it back up on my machine and see how it does.
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Update: response to ticket provided DIY advice and directed me to update patch including fixes to graphic card performance. No new info in DIY advice. I downloaded the update and changed settings for system use of graphics card to PR2023 and opened PR2023. Opened quite quickly and have been using editor inclding Super AI without problem and good performance. Seems to be working well now but I will give it a day or so before I can relax.
If you havn't seen reference to the update patch you might like to try it.
Cheers.
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Very good Victor, yes I have downloaded the patch and it is running great on my desktop machine but rather sluggish on the laptop. The desktop has 32 gigs of memory and the laptop 16 and a VRAM of only 2 gigs.
Now just relax and enjoy!
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I'm running the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti, i7 with 16gb of Ram, 32gigs of memory......are you all saying that this is not powerful enough to run PR2023?????
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That card has 4GB of VRAM but it is 6 years old now. It will run but slowly compared to modern GPUs.
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I really don't want to spend more money to buy another computer to smoothly run ON1 2023, but it sounds like I might have to.
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You don't need a whole new computer. You can add an external GPU.
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Hi Jim,
Sounds like your config is similiar to mine so you should be OK although I had trouble until this lastest patch for PR2023 was released which addressed some graphic card performance issues (see above). I worked a lot of this morning on some portrait images including super AI masking for adjustments and effects and it is going well. I will use it for a day or two more and revert with an update.
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I'm not to savy about all that Brian, will have to research more about it. I have a Dell G3 gaming laptop....any recommendations?
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An M1. 😉 Just kidding, I'm a Mac guy so I'm not really qualified to give a recommendation. There are more knowledgeable Windows folks around here that might have some thoughts.
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Victor, I installed the first 2023 release and it was basically unusable. I removed it and am using 2022 now. I'm fine with 2022 but paid for 2023 and really would like to use it. I could probably run this laptop to the tech shop and have them upgrade it or buy an external GPU as Brian says, but, as it stands right now I'm just scratching my head! LOL
I could actually buy a new more powerful laptop and use this one in my business office as the laptop in my office is quite old. I could actually write the purchase off as a business expense. But it's still a chunk to spend!
It's frustrating to say the least though as I just went through this a few years ago, I think it was PR2020 which wouldn't run right (why I bought the laptop I have now for editing).
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Geeze, the beefed up Dell G3 laptop, basically the upgraded version of the one I have now is 2 grand! ON1 basically costs me an extra 2 grand every 2 or 3 years just to keep it updated and running smoothly! Ridiculous to say the least
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Lets do a few checks:
Have you applied PR2023 to your GPU using the Nvidia Control panel to ensure that PR2023 is using thr GPU when processing?
Have you downloaded the patch to PR2023, which appears to have fixed my problems and will probably do the same for you?
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Victor, I haven't installed the Version 2023 (17.0.1.12965) yet.
I will try to do this tomorrow evening as I'm about to lay my tired head down for a lengthy nap. Hopefully this updated patch/version will run the program smoothly. I'll pop back on this thread tomorrow evening and let you know how it pans out for me. Thanks for your help.
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Well just ran some tests with my laptop which has the 1050 w/2 gig VRAM and 16 gig of memory. Watching the task manager performance window while 2023 was doing its thing I observed the following. VRAM usage never exceeded 1.6 gb, GPU usage usually around 50% w/some spikes, CPU around 50%, but regular RAM was 13.5 gb out of 16, I looked carefully and it did not appear to ever page off the main ssd. That being said I'm thinking more RAM is what it wants.
BTW with this machine 2023 runs and doesn't crash but mask rendering is painfully slow.
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Thanks Keith.
I notice you entioned that your GPU (GTX 1050) has 2GB of Vram while mine has four. I know that there was an earlier version with less than four so perhaps yours is it. What is the version date of the driver? MIne is 21 July 2022. That driver update saved me. I had nearly given up on using PR because of performance lag and jittery masking.
Not sure what to make of your stats per the task manager but accept your conclusions.
I and pleasantly surprised that mask rendering is very good except for when I copy a subject mask to paste into another mask. I have not done much of that since recovering use of 2023 so will make a note of your comment to check existing performance. Loading images to Develop hass always been a bit slow - perhaps up to 10 sec to finish loading.
I am using a PC with two SSD drives so that might be a factor as well. the PR program is on the C drive and the images on the other drive.
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I've installed and did some minor edits on a few images, a little masking, etc., so far so good.
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Go Jim!
Did you check your Nvidia settings?
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Those are the first settings I always check. Everything seems to be chuggin' along pretty good. I'll see how it works for a few days. The task manager shows it chowing down heavily on some cpu and memory when I'm editing but she's hanging in there so far!
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Hello to all
I did all the changes and the soft works fine exceped when I want to crop and using "Content Aware"
The system starts but crushes at the end
Could you try ?
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Not sure what you are asking Roland. Is it - are we/me experiencing this same problem? The short answer is no longer, at least the crashing when trying to close (or freezing). I was having trouble with content aware crop but have not used that adjustment since the recnt patch resolved the GPU issues. I do have a delay loadingimages for edit - but only about 10 secs at worst.
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It's been 5 days now and I'm starting to notice some weird bugs and problems with 2023. Seems like the more I use 2023, the more glitchy it becomes.
1. Occasionally when I go to edit the NoNoise module is missing, I have to close the program and restart it and it reappears? Strange.
2. When in edit, especially with the dynamic contrast filter, I'll try to use the AI quick mask and it automatically goes straight to AI masking and wants to randomly subject select whatever it wants to at the moment. Its never the same but usually just selects most of the detailed area in the image and I finally figured out a work around to it. When I click the mask button in any filter I immediately invert the mask and for some reason it shuts off the ai automatic subject select and allows me to use the ai quick mask to manually brush in my preferred mask on my preferred subject.....weird.
On a good note I have experienced zero crashes or freezes. This recent patch/update obviously fixed several major issues I was having with the initial release download, so ON1 is making progress!
I still have 2022 loaded on my machine as a back up but will still continue to use 2023 as it is for the most part usable and not slowing down my workflow all that much. Hopefully they release another update soon and it'll become even "more better"
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Hi Jim,
I did have problems with No Noise before the patch. I could open it and use the sliders but when I clicked on "Apply" nothing happened. Seems OK now.
I have never tried using the AI filter with Dynamic Contrast, but I have noticed how it behaves when trying to differentiate between similar tones at the edge of a Perfect Brush mask. Given the DC use as a micro contrast adjustment I wonder if it is suitable? I usually just paint in the DC using a regular mask.
I have had little trouble since I last posted and have been working mostly on portraits. I recall having some lags with gradient masks and occasionally with the round mask brush size adjustment. I rebooted my PC and that seemed to fix the problem.
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2) The SSAI masking is calculated when you first open the photo. That's part of the reason it takes a few seconds for them to open in the editor. It makes no difference if you use the masking before or after applying the Dynamic Contrast filter.
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Brian, I am unable to use ai quick mask or simply just brush my own mask due to the ai super select mask over-riding everything....I can't turn it off.
The last few images I edited it's now immediately just over-riding all masking options. I'm about to try resetting the software.
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That's a behavior I haven't heard of before. Are you selecting a different tool after you've created your mask? As long as the SSAI tool is selected the program is going to show you a mask for wherever the pointer is located. I return to the Zoom tool after creating my masks.
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