How fast is On1 working for you
I am somewhat frustrated at the speed of ON1 on my PC. I think it should be faster, but have no real idea or meaningful way to compare it. For example when I open a RAW photo it takes several seconds before I can start to edit it (and this is a Photo with no edits) - the little blue bar progresses and I assume that is it just doing the 'standard' presey with lens modifications etc.. PC is a good fast one (at least for everything else) - Ryzen 3700x , 32 GB RAM, fast SSD, RTX 2060. Are my expectations too high, is it really slow, any way to comapre to 'normal'?
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I can only compare with:
Luminar Neo (trial version) = very slow
ON1 (bought version 2022, 2023) = ok
DxO Photo Lab (old bought version 3 and trial version 5) - fast
Affinity photo (bought version) - fast
Using Noise AI in On1 is way, way faster than in DxO.
Zoom in / out in ON1 is slow (no smooth zoom but a stuttering delayed feel).
This is valid if max CPU performance in Windows PowerPlan is set to 100% (= CPU can activate turbo boost). If it is below 100% ON1 becomes slow, while DxO and Affinity are still ok.
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I found it also bit on slow side. Startup is really slow, first picture EDIT is also very slow. Saving edited pics (to proprietary format as well. Generally editing it is OK. but when I have to do some browsing and sorting through photos from e.g. phototrip I am getting nervous. I can compare to SilkyPix, Photoshop (not a browser but general responiveness) Zoner Photo studio Lightroom 6 (last without subscriptions and some others I cannot recall right now). I have a feeling that ON1 is always half a second behind me, not the case with all mentioned above.
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You cannot compare the speed of Photoshop or any other software with Photo RAW's speed. Each program does things differently so each has its own speed and they do not compare. Because Photo RAW is a non-destructive editor every time you want to view the image full size, open it for editing, or export it, it has to go through the entire processing/rendering process and that takes time, especially when AI is used as that evaluation has to be redone also.
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I talk about general responsiveness of UI, when switching between modules, dragging the pic across the screen or making simple operations like open window, fluidity of brush movements or just switching between the layers. ON1 is frequently sticky and even more when you are filtering the photos (e.g. 50 photos) and working consequently on each of them. Editing of first photos is as is, the more you get to the end (last photos) it is getting slower and slower. An that is with 64GB of memory (60% for ON1) 11GB fast GPU and having everything on SSD.
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How is your system set up? You should have the Scratch space and PerfectBrowseCache on a separate, dedicated, fast SSD. Your photos should also be on their own drive. Keep the program, its data, and your data on separate drives to reduce I/O contention.
You also need to keep in mind the Editing Pipeline (pg 72, User Guide), the order in which edits are applied/rendered. Local Adjustments come before Effects and the Develop pane comes before either of those. If you have a bunch of effects in place and you start brushing a mask on a Local Adjustment every brush stroke has to be re-rendered on up through the Effects stack. When there is a GPU intensive Effect like the Dynamic Contrast it puts a load on the GPU and things slow down as it is also used to track the brush movement. Turning off things like Dynamic Contrast can help when masking at places earlier in the pipeline.
There are controls in Preferences > System > Performance (pg 257, User Guide) which allow you to tune your system's responsiveness. Counter intuitively, lowering the Video Card Strength slider can improve performance as you are telling the program to spend less time keeping the render accurate as opposed to tracking the brush movement. Turning on the Fast Panning and Fast Preview options can also help as less GPU is used when performing those functions. See the User Guide for a complete description.
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Quote: "You cannot compare the speed of Photoshop or any other software with Photo RAW's speed"
Right, but we can and did compare it with the other raw tools mentioned as they do more or less the same as ON1.
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I appreciate the depth of your response Brian Lawson.
Just for clarity, I've used ON1 for 3 years now, though my main workflow if DxO based ( I made a huge decision to shift from Lightroom/ Photoshop a few years ago). ON1 feels slower than I've been used to, even fiddling with the settings and I was just trying to get a sense of how others feel/ if they measure it/ how. I appreciate the responses. It's often good to know your not alone!
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I have just started with ON1 (switching from LR, trying DxO, but like the ON1 results better), and I find it a mixed bag. Some things are fast, such as exporting, others slow, such as having the image load, some absurdly slow, such as resize. My main issue is with the interface; it could be made more convenient. One example: in Develop, when Tone and Color is loaded, if you load Noise and Sharpening, that turns off Tone and Color. Why can't both be open at the same time?
I plan to use ON1, because IMO it does a great job with Fuji X-Trans files. I also see it as a powerful program that I am just beginning to explore.
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You can view both panels at the same time. Go to the Window menu and turn off Solo Mode.
You might want to review the User Guide to learn about all the program's features.
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Michael interface is something to be accustomed to, however... As Brian said, (un)solo mode is a direct answer. Still you cannot do tone control adjustments when noise/sharpening adjustments are being done. I think there is a certain a reason for it. However when you are in effects mode - then you can use shortcuts - and they are really convenient. Let us say you are in HDR effect and you want to make quick tweaking in Tone (contrast) - just use AL+W and you immediately skip into contrast color mode (indicated by small text e.g. "contrast activated". Then with up/down arrows you tweak that activated parameter. Those shortcuts (ALT Q, ALT W, ALT E, R,T,Y) are pretty awesome - and when learned they became the second nature. It works not only in "effects" but the same way in SKY replacement, Portrait and Local adjustments mode.
I recommend to try it.
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Thanks for the replies. As with any powerful program there is definitely a learning curve.
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