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Jpeg quality after saving from raw.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    A screenshot showing the edited RAW file and posting the exported jpeg here would be helpful so that we can see what it going on.

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  • David Cornwell

    Hello. I think I have found out what I may have done wrong. If I crop the final image in ON-1 to the required size and then save there is little or no deterioration between the processed image viewed at the same size. The problem seems to be if I save the full size image in ON 1 then crop to required size in external editor. I can't say I have noticed this before with this workflow but now I know it is not a problem. Is it generally bad practice to mix cropping algorithms between different editors.

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  • Jack Gardner

    Hello. I have a similar issue and need help. I have begun using Resize and I love it. I am an ON1 User from last March (started with 2022 Raw and now own 2023 Raw). Why is it that the edited picture in ON1 looks brighter than when you save it to your computer? I sent them to my local Photography Store and when they were printed, the pictures came out much darker. I told them not to do any post processing because I was pleased with the way they looked (I was wrong). I now notice that when I look at the edited finished picture within ON1 it is brighter than opening the picture in Windows. Years ago I faced a similar issue and it was because my monitor was set at 94% Contrast and 94% Brightness. Since then I have adjusted it to 75% Contrast and 75% Brightness (if you Google it they do note that the settings on your monitor are very important). I will appreciate any comments and help. Good editing is dependent on a clear representation of the picture on the monitor!

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    Jack, it sounds as though you are setting your monitor's brightness and contrast settings manually. That will never work unless you get very lucky. You need to calibrate your monitor so its brightness and contrast as well as its RGB output is correct.

    Most people's monitors are way to bright for photographic work as they are set for viewing videos. This results in dark prints when produced on a calibrated system.

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  • Jack Gardner

    Thank you. From all my research I know that is true and you helped me by replying with an answer I already suspected! Following that logic, though, help me to understand why the edited picture as seen through the program ON1 is much brighter than what I see when I look at it with Windows after the JPEG has been Resized and saved as a finished JPEG. I would think ON1 is displaying the pictures with my monitor set "as is". In 2018 when I bought my computer during the setup Dell asked me if I wanted my computer setup for text. Not knowing the consequences, the Setup Wizard set the monitor to 94% Contrast and 94% Brightness. Several years later I did research with Dell and they told me to set the monitor to 75% Contrast and 75% Brightness, and they set the colors for me. Doing research lately on the internet, they even made comments going lower than that! The lower settings make reading text, though, not as pleasing to the eyes (Means the monitor settings would need to be changed constantly and I would have to sell my wife on the idea!). Please help me to understand, though, why the picture is seen differently when in ON1 than when seen directly in Windows (Is the Windows Photo Viewer changing the lighting and colors also?). The answer matters because if that is true, I need to always critique my pictures in ON1 and that does not make sense why the long established printing shop printed the pictures darker than what I see through ON1. Thank you for your help! I am sure people do not get this type of assistance from the other large Photo Editing Companies!!

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  • Jack Gardner

    Thank you Brian for your patience. After reading your comments and doing research, I understand the difference between "Calibrating my Monitor" and "Manually Changing the Settings directly on my Monitor". Manually making changes is not that accurate. One question needs to be answered right at the first. "If I have someone (or I do it) Calibrate the Monitor, after it is completed is it important to Download ON1 Raw 2022 & 2023 again?" Also, I have plenty of artificial light in the 12 x12 room and there is also an outside single window which the shades are always closed. Is it also important to have bulbs within a Kelvin Range and a specific CRI range? I may buy a SpyderX to do the calibrating myself. It seems worthwhile to be able to do the work myself, and then, if I buy a new computer system in the future I can Calibrate it.  

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    Let's take the easy one first. No, you will not have to download and reinstall any software after "calibrating" your monitor. The same as when you adjust it manually, the software doesn't care. It is the OS that manages the color output for the monitor.

    Now things get more complicated. First of all, let's define some terms. Calibration is a hardware adjustment meant to bring the device's performance into spec. Some monitors (BenQ comes to mind off the top of my head) can be calibrated. Most cannot. What happens with them is called profiling. The SpyderX will read the colors actually produced by the monitor when the profiling software sends a known RGB color value and brightness to it. The difference is calculated and a correction factor is created. This is stored in the profile. Now when that RGB color value gets sent to the monitor the OS uses the profile to adjust it so what the monitor produces is the correct color.

    Yes, background lighting makes a difference. There are some colorimeters that can measure the background light to take it into account as well. You could produce different profiles for use during the day and at night if you wanted. I don't go that far. Most of my editing is done with all room lights off, day or night.

    All those factors you mentioned come into play, brightness, temperature, the color of your walls, and so on. It is more complicated than I'm able to help with recommendations, I'm not that qualified.

    If you want to understand this process better check out the open source profiling program DisplayCAL. It is very thorough and even if you don't want to use it, their web set has a lot of information about what the different settings do and how to use them.

    I also recommend ArtIsRight on YouTube. I can't give a link or this post will be blocked, you'll find him easily. He talks about Color Management in detail in some of his videos.

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