16:9 Aspect ratio inside standard photographic size prints
I am trying to send a jpeg file to a print service of a picture I've either cropped in On1 or taken in camera with a 16:9 crop ratio which should leave me with a top and bottom white space on any standard photographic sized print (8x10, 11x14, etc) When I upload the file to the print service, the print size (11x14, etc) wants to crop my final image to "fill" the entire paper size and trim off both sides of the image. That's not what I'm looking for.
Any suggestions?
I've tried setting a larger canvas in On1 and then using the transform tool to keep the 16:9 aspect ratio but that doesn't seem to work. I've also tried it in Resize but no luck there either. I'm probably not using either of those tools correctly but still think this is possible.
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I can't tell if this is a problem with Photo Raw or the print service. Are you exporting your cropped photo? Is the export the correct size?
Can you describe your exact workflow from ON1 edit to upload?
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It sounds like you are trying to print a panoramic layout and the printer is trying to force it into a 'regular' ratio . The print service is making assumptions about what the output should look like, ignoring the panoramic ratio. Is there an option to select panoramic when you submit it? If you could talk with them, you might be able to explain what you want. Going to a local print shop where you can talk with someone might be an alternative.
You could also place your desired image on top of a black or white background as a second layer. That would make the pixel ratio of the complete image match what they expect for a 'proper' ratio.
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Thank you Rick and Carl for your input. I've included a link to a YouTube video that describes what I'm trying to do but with a different print size. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPL4NJySxZ4. I believe he is using Photoshop which seems to be a bit easier to manipulate the image size.
For now, I think I figured out a workflow to make this happen in On1. BTW, I'm using 2021 version so maybe this has been addressed in the latest release.
1) Edit File
2) Add Color Fill Layer
3) Set Canvas Size (File Menu) to final print size (i.e. 11x14)
4) Select Image Layer
5) Use the Transform Tool to shrink the image layer to the desired ratio. This should reveal the Color layer from below to provide a boarder. (if you use the crop tool, both layers are cropped).
6) Export file for print service, set print size to the canvas size (11x14 in my example). The image will fit the page without cropping the sides off. It will have a boarder on the top and bottom.
There is probably an easier way to do this as this method isn't very intuitive and there doesn't seem to be a way to snap the image layer to the desired ratio (16:9) like with the crop tool. I think my next step will be to shoot a picture in camera with the 16:9 crop and see if that makes the above process any easier. I may try reaching out to tech support to see if I'm missing something on using canvas or the resize tool. If I do, I'll add to this post.
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I think your workflow is Ok, but I'll make one suggestion... Edit and crop your photo without the color fill and export it back to the folder in Photo Raw. Then open the exported image and add the color fill. It eliminates the need for transform.
I still don't understand where the problem is. Either you're getting the correct ratio out of ON1 or you're not. Which is it?
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Rick, I tried your suggestion. Same problem. You have to manipulate the canvas size and use the transform tool. The Youtube video illustrates that this is "easier" to accomplish in Photoshop. Maybe that is the answer.
As to your question, On1 will give you your crop value to view "on screen". The only time the crop value will match a print is by picking a standard print size (i.e. 8x10) crop factor which will require you to trim off a significant portion of the image on the long edge. I don't want to do that. I want the widest angle of view I can get for a landscape composition.
If you try to output a 16:9 crop ratio that crops the top and bottom of the image sensor, the resulting exported jpg will still need to be cropped at the print service on the long edge or left or right sides to "fit" the photographic paper sizes. To fit the image edge to edge within a standard sized photo paper, the image would need to be reduced revealing a boarder on the top and bottom. I don't see anywhere to do that in say Shutterfly.
So far, the only way I've found to accomplish that with On1 is the workflow I've described above. I also know that I'm using an aspect ratio that is not typical for a print.
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It's not possible that it could be the same problem. The exported photo should be the ratio that you want the image to be and that won't change. The color fill should match the paper size. Possibly it would be a bit easier if you created a new canvas the paper size already set, then the color fill will automatically fill that. Then it's just a matter of adding the photo above it and making sure it fits inside the borders.
This is an example that I just made. It's a pano on an 8x10 background. With a pano like this you have 3 options...
- Reduce it to fit (as shown below)
- Cut off the edges to make the top/bottom reach the edges
- Stretch the image to fit all edges which will distort it.
You obviously don't want to cut the edges or distort it, so reduction is the best option.
I can't figure out if you're not getting the result you want or if you think it's too difficult, so I did one myself. I chose 8x10 but you can chose any size that you want the result to be. This took barely 3 minutes...
- Create a new blank canvas 8x10
- add a color fill
- add the image on a new layer
- use transform to fit the pano within the edges by holding shift while dragging the pano edges inward
- center and adjust as needed
- export as 8x10
If this is not what you're trying to do, post some screenshots to explain.
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Rick, Thank you! I see what I was doing wrong. Easy enough now that you've laid it out for me and I've got the sequence right. I was starting with the exported (cropped) file. I need to first start with a new canvas, add the fill, and then import the cropped image. Much easier.
I can't believe I was struggling so much with that. I really appreciate you taking the time to walk me through that. I also appreciate the tip to use the shift key to maintain the image ratio while using the transform tool. I had forgotten that (and probably a lot more).
Thank you again! Nice image you've got there.
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Glad you've got it figured out.
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