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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    After you flip the first image, return to the Browser then Sync the Transform settings from that photo to the rest of them.

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  • Dennis Robison

    Brian, 

    Your suggestion to Sync did not work. Here's what I did:
    1. In Edit Mode, flipped one image both horizontally and vertically and applied the change - no other edits were made; filmstrip in Edit Mode shows image flipped
    2. Clicked Done to switch to Browse Mode and thumbnail was not flipped. Selected a different image and switched back, but thumbnail is still not flipped.
    3. Refreshed the preview in Browse and thumbnail is still not flipped

    Despite the thumbnail being wrong, I progressed to attempting to sync:
    1. In Browse, selected the flipped image and shift-clicked to select the range to be flipped. 
    2. The option to sync settings is grayed out preventing me from going any further
    At this point, the thumbnail in Browse is not flipped (as before), and has no little icons in lower right indicating edits were made. Info section in Browse has all Settings Applied grayed out implying no changes have been made. Edit Mode shows image as flipped.

    I made a minor tweak to the exposure (bumped it up by 0.2) and now Browse thumbnail is flipped, thumbnail shows the little EV icon, and the Info section indicates there is a Develop change. Additionally, I can select a range of photos and the Sync Settings command is available. Choosing Sync Settings, I see all the items under Develop turned on, including Transform. I did the sync and all thumbnails get the EV icon, but the thumbnails are not flipped. The images in Edit Mode are not flipped either, but the exposure has changed. Also unfortunately, the filmstrip has 9 of 14 thumbnails as all black. A filmstrip thumbnail comes back if I select it, but then goes all black if I select a different thumbnail.

    I restarted ON1 PR and the filmstrip thumbnails all came back. The images I synced remain not flipped, but have the minor exposure change I made. So my guess is the flip commands are not being treated as a change. There is also something screwy with the filmstrip thumbnails. I'm also betting the Browse thumbnail problem goes away if the flip commands get treated as a change.

    It would be really nice if Browse had the flip icons on the thumbnails like it does for rotate, and that they'd work like those rotate icons do (i.e., I can select multiple images and rotate them all at once).

    Can anyone else reproduce this problem? Try to flip an image without making any other edits, and then sync the flip to other images.

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    I agree, it's not working. I tried sync, making a preset and apply last edit.

    I see when syncing that transform is not one of the items available, so maybe syncing a 'flip' is not possible.

    The only way to know for sure is to ask tech support.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    My apologies, I hadn't actually tried it and assumed it would work. It's weird that the Transform Tool can't be synced.

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  • Dennis Robison

    Brian,

    No need to apologize. It's good folks like you who do their best to help people in need. Your assumption was reasonable.

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  • Dennis Robison

    I submitted a report to ON1 and got a response, shown below, essentially saying there are no plans to do anything. My initial post said I had hundreds of images, but reality is I will have thousands once I start imaging old slides. I really wanted to have ON1 PR as my one and only editor since dumping Adobe's products. Sadly I now have to revisit Lightroom or some other tool.

    ON! RESPONSE:

    This is a current design limitation of the app.
    I've passed along your feedback to our product team.

    I don't know of any architechtural changes that will be forthcoming to change this behavior.
    If we do have something in the works, we'll let you know.
     
    Let us know if you need further assistance.
     
    Regards, 

    Stevie | Tech Support & QA Engineer

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    Many camera companies have their own app, does Pentax have an application that could do that flip for you? 

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  • Dennis Robison

    My camera, a Pentax K20D, is old and has three applications (a photo browser, a simple editor, and tether). None of them flip the raw file. I've used PK_Tether and it doesn't flip either. I've found some other tools that can batch flip files, but they output to TIFF or JPEG, and not raw. So my options seem to be:
    a. use a tool upfront to batch flip and then use ON1 PR to edit TIFF files (assuming I don't lose capabilities by starting with TIFFs),
    b. do all other edits first and then flip to TIFFs
    c. do the flip in ON1 PR one image at a time.

    My career was as a software developer, so I'm having trouble understanding why flip can't be handled like rotate. I'd appreciate learning why flipping is different from rotating, and why there is a design limitation instead of just an implementation issue.

    Thanks,
    Dennis

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    Well, since you're talking to other users here, we can't tell you that. The best I can do is suggest that you add that idea to the Photo Raw projects page and maybe it'll be added some day.

    https://www.on1.com/products/photo-raw/ideas/

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  • Jose Omar Santiago Colon

    Same happens to me, I have a bunch of images needing to flip but only can flip one at time. No Copy/Paste of Sync is available to spread the changes to multiple images.

    This must be a must have on ON1 next release.

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    If this is a 'must have', you better be sure it's on the Ideas page (link above) and being voted for, or it's not going to happen.

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  • Jose Omar Santiago Colon

    Hi Rick, thanks for you intensive support and follow.

    It is not a "must have" idea, it is a non working concept currently at ON1

    Pasting the flip of one image must be available and functional to a group of other images at once during copy/paste or sync process and that's is not happening now. We already know that this must be submitted to Support Forum, we are only sustaining the issue is present

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    Jose, you're just not understanding. You can complain all you want, but if you don't TELL THE COMPANY, nothing will be done. I never said anything about the Support forum (which is this forum by the way) I said you need to submit the idea to the PHOTO RAW PROJECT which is at the link posted above and it needs to have votes to be considered.

    So, if you want to keep complaining here, go ahead, but no one from ON1 is reading this and no, you're not sustaining anything.

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  • Jose Omar Santiago Colon

    Sorry for miss understood your message, I will submit the idea/fix soon! Thanks

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  • Dennis Robison

    Now that we have 2024 and 2024.1, I thought I'd give an update in case anyone is reading this thread. The short story is neither 2024 or 2024.1 fixes the bug. Flipping an image without doing any other edits does not get flagged as an edit. Therefore things like resetting all edits don't work, and thumbnails sometimes match the flipped image and sometimes do not. I'm not going to describe specific steps, but it's easy enough to try on your own. Just flip an image without making other edits and see what happens to thumbnails as you switch between Browse and Edit. Look at the filmstrip. Try syncing or resetting edits. An earlier post of mine (see above) documented ON1's response to the trouble report.

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