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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    How large is the photo collection you've created the Catalog for?

    What kind of computer are you running? What are its specs?

    I'm assuming that you just did not pick a photo which had the keywords embedded yet. Once they've been embedded the program should see them as that info is in the .on1 & .xmp files. That's what is going on with the embedding, those files are being updated.

    Pretty much, you've just got to wait for the process to run. I ran it a little while ago and created a catalog from a folder with 94 photos in multiple levels of sub-folders. It took about 20 minutes on my M1 Mac mini w/ 16GB of RAM.

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  • Keith Neff

    Thanks for the response.  Well I probably should have started off with a smaller sample but I just turned it loose on my entire photo collection, probably a couple of thousand photos in all.

    Computer is a series 13 i7 intel PC with a Nvidia 4060 GPU so it is up to the task.  Looking at the Task Manager the app is pounding away at the CPU so it looks like I will just have to wait.

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    It took 3 days to scan about 23000 of my photos. Just turn it on and leave it run.

    Tip: While there is a progress bar in the lower right, I found that if I searched for people, a warning next to the search area would show the number of unscanned photos. I used that as a gauge for how it was going.

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  • Keith Neff

    Mines been running for at least three days and I wanted to do some editing with Photoraw.  Tried to start it and it complained that Keyword was still running and I should shut it down.  Went to shut it down and keyword complained that it was running background tasks and did I really want to shut it down.  So now it's a gray 'not responding' screen with Task Manager showing it still running.  Really don't want to force quit lest it messes up what its been doing for days.

    I will post whatever the result is.

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    At least when you shut down Keyword AI in the middle of a scan, it will pick up again where it was when restarted.

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  • David Oliver

    So, having decided I didn't want to wait for it to finish I closed off Keyword AI after 24 hours. I then found Dylan's Keywording videos. So I thought I would try it out on four photos - 2 RAW and 2 JPEG - of the same yellow rose. I used the Metadata Scan option used by Dylan on his video. AI came up with Vivid and Low-key as the only two keywords! Not a lot of help if I wanted to search for yellow roses. Am I doing something wrong?

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    No, there isn't anything for you to do except tell the program to find keywords. Either it finds some or it doesn't. Just because you can tell it's a rose doesn't mean the program can.

    There are a few options to control the types of keywords it will present. These are in Preferences > Keyword AI.

     

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  • David Oliver

    But - sorry, there is always a but - in Dylan's video AI came up with Flower, Plant and a color among a host of other keywords. Just seems odd that the AI could do that for Dylan but couldn't identify Flower and Yellow for me, accepting that it is not going to be able to identify specific flower types.

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  • Keith Neff

    So far AI seems to be identifying flowers accurately as flowers but not specifically roses.  I ended up force quitting the program went into Photo Raw did some editing and then restarted Keyword AI, which did seem to pick off where it left off just banging away on the CPU at 40-60%.

    A couple of observations.  When I went back into PR some of the metadata looked something like <on1metadata>Ocean,<on1metadata>sand on some pictures and on others just Ocean and Sand.

    Also the browse thumbnails are often blank in grid mode, if you hit E or double click on them they appear.

    Sure wish ther was some sort of real progress bar the 'embedding' thing at the bottom doesn't really tell you anything.

     

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    Send a message to ON1 support and show them your results. We are users just like you and can't do anything about it.

    https://on1help.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    I'm seeing ON1 Keyword AI < Color and ON1 Keyword AI < Flowering plant and ON1 Keyword AI < plant on photos of a flowering Yucca in my back yard. Not all of them were identified as Flowering plant and some were identified as tree depending upon the distance from the bush. The flowers grow on a tall stalk so I can see where it got tree from. Also, it appears that Keyword AI is attempting to identify those keywords it has added vs those from Photo RAW.

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again, it all depends upon the individual image.

    Send them your problem files so they can better train the AI model.

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  • tom trinko

    Ok Keyword AI has been running for nearly 24 hours on a Mac Studio M2 Ultra 24 cores 128GB RAM.

    Based on what I've seen that might not be bad but I am concerned about a few things:

    1) There is no progress indicator on the lower right of the main screen.

    2) For hours, until I went to bed, the app was using 1381% of the CPU according to activity monitor but now it's only using 105%. Is it still working?

    Any insight would be useful.

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  • Keith Neff

    I'm on a PC and it has been running for several days on and off, regularly uses 40-60% CPU.  The odd thing is that when I select just about any picture it has AI metadata attached to it, no clue as to what it is doing.

    When I want to use Photo Raw I have to force quit AI Keyword.  There should be a warning about trying to scan too many images at once.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    Tom, if the progress indicator is not showing in the lower right corner and your processor usage has dropped that much it's a pretty good bet it has finished.

    Keith, it is stil going through your photos. There is no way to know how long it will take to finish.

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  • tom trinko

    If the app is finished why do I get the spinning beach ball cursor and why does activity monitor show the App as not responding?

     

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    I said it was a pretty good bet, not a sure thing! You also conveniently forgot to mention the spinning beach ball and the app not responding parts in your previous post. I can't address points which haven't been made.

    If you believe the program is hung then you have no choice but to Force Quit it then relaunch it and see how things stand.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    Also, the "app not responding" message does not necessarily mean that a program is hung. It only means the it hasn't been able to respond to the UI for a while. That could easily be caused by it being too busy doing whatever it is doing to be able to respond right away. It does not mean that it will never be able to respond again.

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  • Keith Neff

    All true Brian, in my case I let it sit there in a gray screen for several hours, it was still pounding away at the CPU but it never came back to the UI thus a force quit.

    EDIT just had it drop to 6% CPU, tried to close, got the warning, now in the 'not responding' gray screen.  There needs to be a way for this program to politely exit the scene. 

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    It has one. Mine ran to completion without any problem but then I didn't try to feed it tens of thousands of images to work on all at once.

    My answer stands until someone hears something different from support about this and posts it here for us all to see. I'm happy to learn when I'm wrong. :)

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  • Keith Neff

    New patch today.  Instead of going to a gray screen when closing it brings up a window that says it is shutting down but doesn't.

    One fix that is nice, all of the thumbnails seem to be appearing which is a major improvement.

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  • tom trinko

    Apologies if you thought I was critiquing you.

    I was just pointing out why the app wasn't finished.

    Didn't expect you to read my mind.

    I know that an non-responding app isn't necessarily hung but if it's not responding it won't respond to my hitting the cancel button either.

    In my experience a well designed app will only go unresponsive for more than a short time if it's not having a problem.


     

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  • Keith Neff

    No problem. It's early on for this software and throwing a few thousand pictures at it was a bit of an acid test.  I think they need to tweak it a bit so it can close down properly and pick up where it left off.  Until then I'm keeping my eye on it and interestingly it occasionally stops counting up for maybe a half hour at a time then resumes.  Will report back if it ever finishes!

     

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  • Keith Neff

    Word back from support is bring the program up with the shift button held down, trash everything and start again with less files.

    I did ask them if they thought it would eventually finish or if it is hung but haven't heard back yet.

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    You need to define "trash everything". There are two options, 'Delete settings' does not trash everything, but 'Reset' does trash everything. Which is it?

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  • Keith Neff

    Sorry, Delete Settings does nothing, you have to do a Reset.

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  • Keith Neff

    Follow Up.

    Support said that the only way out is to do a reset which trashes the catalogs but leaves the metadata intact in the On1 and xmp files.

    First I tried reloading the program, no effect.  Then did the dreaded Reset which indeed blew away the catalog but left the metadata intact.  But, it is still cranking away in the background and won't let me close the program without a forced quit.  I ran a program to see just how may pictures are in the library and it is just over 12,000, so I guess it just runs in the background until the end of time.  Just have to force quit it whenever I want to use Photo Raw.

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