Looking forward to Photo Raw 2024
Just looking at the sneak peek for 2024 and some interesting things to look forward to...
https://www.on1.com/landing/early-bird/
- On One Photo Raw MAX brings back the plug in ability for Photo Raw. I see this as the first step in phasing out the Prof Plugin package. Why would we need both?
- Ultimate speed and performance upgrades. We get promised this every year. If they actually do it this year, that would be great.
- Improved highlight recovery. Cool, we got an update a while ago that works not too bad but blown highlights are hard to deal with. Further improvements are welcomed.
- Enhanced transform. The features seem to include parts of both of our current transforms. Are they finally combining them together?
- Enhanced cataloging! Finally, the ability to control the catalog. This should have been done ages ago.
- Text LAYERS!!! It's about time. Text has been so difficult to use without layers. This should have been done when it was first implemented.
If these features work as described, this will be a very nice upgrade but I'm going to need to see it in action before I'm convinced.
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Did you notice that they have moved the Navigation panel to the top of the left side column separating it from the Levels panel?
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There appears to be a major rework finally concentraing on speed and usability, the catalogue, and UI. If they can carry it off without major bugs killing the joy, its bound to do very well.
Steve
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Certainly good news about catalogue control. I still have blank previews in my catalogue after leaving On1 running day & night for a couple of weeks. Other ongoing issues with freezing and slow opening images for edit. Will UI address that?
I note that Keudel acknowledges that some of us do not want subscriptions and strings attached, but now requires even Plus members to buy the subscription to get upgrades! Not happy!
I am still not not sure that my Nvidia GTX 1050 ti is effective even though the compatibility notes say it is OK. My 16GB of RAM seems to often struggle and I wonder whether my twin core i5 twin processor has the processing speed for the ever increasing demand on CPUs of these powerful editing programs and whether it is forcing me into a PC upgrade. I shall appreciate any comments about this issue.
As a member of a camera club I cannot use photographic elements created by third parties and certainly have to be careful about the incrase in AI beyond masking and exposure settings. Skies a definite no-no and maybe even presets. So that makes most of the Plus freebies out of bounds. I prefer to create my own images anyway and certainly appreciate the layers capability for compositing.
I will wait for the new version with some trepidation.
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Victor, just a quick note here regarding hardware. My old laptop had a 1050 GPU and 16 gigs of memory and it was a dog, very slow. I also run a 1070 on a desktop with 32 gigs and it struggles. New laptop with 4060 and 16 gigs of memory, like butter. So the newer GPU's do make a difference but maybe the improvements they are promising will breathe new life into the 1000 series.
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Maybe wrong but is this the upgrade from 2023.5?
ON1 Photo RAW MAX 2024
Own it. Coming this fall.
£175.55£146.29Watched there promo video from email and maybe it will run faster but at that price I'll beat them out the door.
If this is correct on price for upgrade? Thanks..
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Yep.
Not happening. Photo RAW is not that good.
But there's this FAQ:
"I use Photo RAW as a standalone editor only and don't need to launch it as a plugin. Will there be another version of Photo RAW 2024 coming that doesn't have plugins?
Yes, there will be a non-MAX version of Photo RAW 2024 that works as a standalone application only, with no plugin functionality for Ps/Lr or other editors. The non-MAX version will have 2 software activations (instead of 3 with MAX or 5 with ON1 Everything Plus), and it will not include ON1 Cloud Sync storage or access to ON1 Plus. (ON1 Plus is available separately as well.)"
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Significantly cheaper I trust.
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ON1 is plenty fast for me, my catalogues work just fine, keywords are behaving themselves, there are enough tools for me to customise my photos, I don’t need plug-ins, so why do I need to upgrade for 150 quid? NOW, if tack sharp and no noise worked on the edited image as an effect then…...
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I just noticed in the video that both transforms are still there.
Excuse me while I go bang my head on the wall.
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"ON1 is plenty fast for me, my catalogues work just fine, keywords are behaving themselves, there are enough tools for me to customise my photos, I don’t need plug-ins, so why do I need to upgrade for 150 quid? NOW, if tack sharp and no noise worked on the edited image as an effect then…"
Yep, that pretty much sums up my take on it too. I will benefit from the improved highlight recovery that's coming, if it gets up to LightRoom levels of effectiveness, but the one thing I want to see above all else is better exporting of downsized images.
Being able to upscale files for large prints is great and all, and it's great being able to upscale a "dot in the frame" bird into a usable image, but - like many (most?) photographers - my main day-to-day output requirement is for web view, without upscaling.
Because of ON1's ridiculous "sharpen everything including your PNG watermark" behaviour, I can't use the otherwise pretty good export sharpening, meaning I've got to sharpen selectively before export, and - frankly - doing so is a complete "crapshoot", as they say in the US.
Such a little thing (which would bring watermarking and export behaviour into line with just about every other converter I use - everything else effectively applies the watermark layer after export sharpening), but it would make an exponential difference to the usefulness of Photo RAW for me.
(And yes, I have raised this with ON1: "yeah, that's how it works..." being the "helpful" reply.)
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Being happy with ON1 PR as it is, I am always for improvement but will somebody tell me why I need plug-ins. Does this mean new features and functions will be sold as plug-ins? My dislike for plug-ins is very strong.
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If nothing else, it's a way to expand ON1's potential market to resolute LightRoom/Capture One/[insert name of RAW converter here] users who have no intention of walking away from their favoured converter, but might benefit from some of what Photo RAW has to offer.
(I know that there are already Lr-compatible plugins on offer, but this must still be ON1's motivation.)
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Also very happy with On1 PR, in fact, just went back to our pictures from Peru from 2011 and two things struck me. First how dodgy ISO 800 was in those days and secondly how much better I could make the pictures with PR compared to my previous work with PS and so easily.
Didn't see any mention of this but, I hope they can fix the problem of the occasional photo that comes up with nothing in AI, no categories just foreground and background that don't do anything.
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John, only the MAX version supports plugins. The standard version doesn't and is a different (unannounced so far) price.
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Rick, perhaps I misunderstood. If the std version and Max have the same functionality, I will remain happy. If ON1 goes the route of, say, Luminar Neo where new functionality comes in the form of plug-ins (to what is a PS plugin) that must be purchased separately, then I will go looking for something else to edit with. There's also the idea that if one could get ON1 functionality as a PS plug-in, why not keep PS as their primary editor. Adobe will know how to play that angle.
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I thought the only difference between the standard version and the Max version was that the Max version could be accessed as a plug-in from other apps, such as Lightroom, and the standard cannot. In that respect, the Max version is like On1 Photo Raw used to be (prior to the 2022 version). As I understand it, all functionality is included within the standard and Max version of PhotoRaw. No functionality is included only in plugins, and not the base products. If all you use is On1 Photo Raw, and you don't need to access its functionality from other apps like Lightroom, you don't need to purchase the plugins or the Max version. Hopefully that's the case because that all-in-one integration is one of the most important characteristics of On1 Photo Raw in my opinion.
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I paid about 75USD to upgrade to PR2023 last September. Given that I am not that excited about any of the new features in v2024 (unless there is a big improvement to TackSharp and an auto "transform" function), I won't be considering it if the price is higher than last year. I have access to Topaz Sharpen and Photo AI and to DxO Viewpoint, which more than meet my needs where PR is lacking. And, as a casual user, I am quite happy with current speeds.
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"Rick, perhaps I misunderstood."
John, as well as being a standalone, the upcoming "Max" version is - in effect - a plugin, for users of other converters/editors that want a piece of the ON1 action.
Ken gets it...
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I don't use Lr/Pr but I do use Affinity Photo and I do use Neo and ON1 as plugins to AP. Now, Neo doesn't have plugins for Lr/Ps, they are called extensions and they don't work with anything outside of core Neo. However, I have simply pointed my AP plugin manager to the Neo directory (I'm using a PC) containing the core Neo executable and I am able to send images from AP to Neo for finishing. With ON1 it's different, I can use most of the pro plugins with AP but the one I can't seem to access is ReSize Ai. No big deal, I hardly use it. So, both work well with ON1. Of the two, I like Neo for quick and dirty edits, especially using the presets I created, but for serious work I use ON1 or a combination of AP and ON1. I also agree that Tacksharp needs work, it's default is too aggressive and I see a lot of artefacts in many images. As for Topaz Photo Ai, this is way too immature to consider as a viable tool (at the moment) especially as their Mask Ai tools are far from adequate. In Subject mode they invariably get the masking wrong and making changes to the mask is tedious. I want to like it as I think the actual tools are very good but I need batch processing and that means that the subject masks need to be spot on so that I can automate the process. I am however watching it develop.
With regards to what I want to see in ON1 PR 2024 - better performance overall, improvements to existing tools rather than a raft of new ones that I might never use - this is the Skylum approach to marketing - and lower pricing. Every year I'm on the verge of dumping ON1 and just going with Affinity Photo especially as I have the various plugins available to me already and of course, I have Neo and ON1 standalone software. This combo is way good enough for serious work without spending another dime!
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Like David, I don't use either Lr or Pr but do have ON1 and Neo as standalone apps. I am still hanging on to Ps but do most of my photo mgt, browsing and editing in ON1. Neo is useful when I want fast and easy editing done using its sliders, which encapsulate some of the more detailed editing functions. As for detailed editing, it's ON1. All my Topaz stuff has been deleted (not being used) and am working to get totally off Ps. So far, it seems ON1 has been heading in the right direction; however, it could benefit from some additional encapsulated functions (for hurry-up work and to get off of Neo). Speed, performance and reliability are, of course, always considerations worthy of improvement.
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So I just had an email advising a peak preview of On1 Photo Raw.
All the images shown where the same images from the previous video for the MAX version although it did state we will get lightening speed improvements but did not say if they would work with current computer configurations.
Need more images than how to work with Land/Seascapes and portraits of which I have no interest.
Thanks, Russ.
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Russ, you need to send that message to Dylan and tell him what you want to see or he won't know. If you're a plus member, you could use the ON1 forums and post a message to him.
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Rick, you said “ I just noticed in the video that both transforms are still there”.
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Pardon my ignorance; "transforms"? Are we talking about the edit function under Lens correction (Keystone & Move)? What is the issue?
Thanks.
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Victor: there has been discussion before on why there are two features on PR called transform. That's why I put it in inverted commas.
The one I am referring to is the one at the bottom of the Edit module. It adjusts perspective. In PR this has to be done manually, often using the awkward "keystone" function. Years before I gave up on LR, this could be done automatically there, even though it wasn't always what one wanted. I asked for a similar auto function on the PR ideas thread some versions ago, but still have to resort to DxO Viewpoint when working on a complex architecture image.
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Thanks Ray.
I do use both but like you have found the Keystone edit a tricky tool particularly on super wide angle lens shots.
Oh, for a Tilt shift lens!
Vic.
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Victor, I'm referring to the 2 transforms in Photo Raw. They are named the same but do different jobs. There should have never been two functions with the same name. It's nothing but confusing for everyone.
Of all the things that there are to fix, surely changing a name is the easiest, yet even after reporting it, it's been ignored for years.
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FWIW, technically a transform is any thing that relocates, scales, or rotates an image. Even the horizon straightening with the Crop tool is a transform. It's a mathematical thing.
One of them, the Transform Tab, corrects for distortion caused by the lens not being parallel to the plane that is being focused.
The Transform Tool allows for the rotation, scaling, and movement of the image on the canvas.
They each require different mathematical treatments of the image pixels matrix. I suspect that is why they were separated.
I'd like to see them combined into a single Transform Tool set with different tool types a la the Masking Bug for each type of transformation being applied.
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It doesn't matter what they do, the point is that they have the same name. There is no excuse for that.
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I guess it hasn't ever bothered me because I know which does what so I know the right one to pick for the task to be done.
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