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Looking forward to Photo Raw 2024

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  • John McAtee

    Being happy with PR 2023, I will probably opt for PR 2024 but will wait to see what the upgrade price is on the non-MAX standalone.  I have to say that Brilliance AI looks promising; however, I almost never pay for anything pre-release.  I, too, have no need for more sky pics; however, I do use them (mostly for non-recoverable, washed-out skies) but take my own with a drone (giving me a sky set with various sun positions to match whatever is in the photo).

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    Did you notice that they have moved the Navigation panel to the top of the left side column separating it from the Levels panel?

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  • Keith Neff

    Victor, just a quick note here regarding hardware.  My old laptop had a 1050 GPU and 16 gigs of memory and it was a dog, very slow.  I also run a 1070 on a desktop with 32 gigs and it struggles.  New laptop with 4060 and 16 gigs of memory, like butter.  So the newer GPU's do make a difference but maybe the improvements they are promising will breathe new life into the 1000 series.

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  • Gerry Whitmarsh

    ON1 is plenty fast for me, my catalogues work just fine, keywords are behaving themselves, there are enough tools for me to customise my photos, I don’t need plug-ins, so why do I need to upgrade for 150 quid? NOW, if tack sharp and no noise worked on the edited image as an effect then…...

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  • David collerton

    I don't use Lr/Pr but I do use Affinity Photo and I do use Neo and ON1 as plugins to AP. Now, Neo doesn't have plugins for Lr/Ps, they are called extensions and they don't work with anything outside of core Neo. However, I have simply pointed my AP plugin manager to the Neo directory (I'm using a PC) containing the core Neo executable and I am able to send images from AP to Neo for finishing. With ON1 it's different, I can use most of the pro plugins with AP but the one I can't seem to access is ReSize Ai. No big deal, I hardly use it. So, both work well with ON1. Of the two, I like Neo for quick and dirty edits, especially using the presets I created, but for serious work I use ON1 or a combination of AP and ON1. I also agree that Tacksharp needs work, it's default is too aggressive and I see a lot of artefacts in many images. As for Topaz Photo Ai, this is way too immature to consider as a viable tool (at the moment) especially as their Mask Ai tools are far from adequate. In Subject mode they invariably get the masking wrong and making changes to the mask is tedious. I want to like it as I think the actual tools are very good but I need batch processing and that means that the subject masks need to be spot on so that I can automate the process. I am however watching it develop.

    With regards to what I want to see in ON1 PR 2024 - better performance overall, improvements to existing tools rather than a raft of new ones that I might never use - this is the Skylum approach to marketing - and lower pricing. Every year I'm on the verge of dumping ON1 and just going with Affinity Photo especially as I have the various plugins available to me already and of course, I have Neo and ON1 standalone software. This combo is way good enough for serious work without spending another dime!

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  • John McAtee

    Like David, I don't use either Lr or Pr but do have ON1 and Neo as standalone apps.  I am still hanging on to Ps but do most of my photo mgt, browsing and editing in ON1.  Neo is useful when I want fast and easy editing done using its sliders, which encapsulate some of the more detailed editing functions.  As for detailed editing, it's ON1.  All my Topaz stuff has been deleted (not being used) and am working to get totally off Ps.  So far, it seems ON1 has been heading in the right direction; however, it could benefit from some additional encapsulated functions (for hurry-up work and to get off of Neo). Speed, performance and reliability are, of course, always considerations worthy of improvement.

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    Victor, I'm referring to the 2 transforms in Photo Raw. They are named the same but do different jobs. There should have never been two functions with the same name. It's nothing but confusing for everyone.

    Of all the things that there are to fix, surely changing a name is the easiest, yet even after reporting it, it's been ignored for years.

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  • David Price

    I think that as the popularity of Photo Raw has grown, so it has become more difficult for ON1.  Do they please the people who only use their product? or do they please the people who mainly use other software and only use Photo Raw as a plug in?   They can't please everyone. So welcome to the real world of compromise.

    Personally, all that matters to me is that Photo Raw keeps on getting better.   Which year after year, it has done. 

    I am looking forward to the other Sneak Peak videos, but I am already planning to buy PR 2024.

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  • Keith Neff

    Yes, everyone let's keep it civil.  Just a comment here on AI.  Originally I thought Okay, kind of a gimmick but might have some uses.  Since then, I find I'm using it a lot, even when it doesn't get it exactly right a few touch ups with a brush and I'm 99% of the way there.  There are the occasions where it just doesn't flag anything, it's on those pictures I'm saying, dang wish it was there.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    Mark, we do not have access to your account information like that. We are just other users like yourself. You should probably talk to customer service about that. You can use the submit a request link.

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  • Victor Boase

    David, I too am not interested in using AI to create photograpic elements of an image, but I think we have to acknowledge the vast improvement in masking brought about by AI. Masking and brushing has always been the issue with using ON1 for me since I changed in 2017 from LR; jittery and often freezing. I upgraded my PC in 2018 thnking that 16GB of RAM and an i5 generation processor would be the answer. Not so, as I realised that the GPU was also critical.

    Russell, thanks for your comments on the GTX 1050 Ti. As I said in an earlier post I have recently discovered that my PC processor is not what I ordered and paid for in 2018. I thought I was getting an i5 4 core, but I received an i5 two core. I think this is why I have such slow previews and image loading to edits as well as jittery brushing.

    My objective now is to try and spec an upgrade that optimises the processing method of ON1. Hence my quest to better understand the role of CPU, RAM and GPU and in particular, how ON1 uses them.

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  • David collerton

    Just watched the latest video on PR 2024 - very interesting. I also see that the push is on to buy PR 2024 sight-unseen but I think on this occasion I'm gonna hang back and give the free month trial a good workout before committing. Everything I'm seeing and hearing sounds really positive but a $30 discount and a bunch of sky's I'll never use is hardly an incentive to jump in early. That being said, I'm more excited by this release than any previous one purely because it focuses on performance above gimmicky add-ons. Fingers crossed it lives up to expectations.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    They haven't said anything officially about the price for the regular non-Max version of the program but they did say on a Facebook post that it would be the same as last year. 

     

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  • Keith Neff

    Hey guys, looked at my subscription page today and the pricing was $74 for regular and $150 for plus.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    I'm running on an M1 mini, 1st gen, 16GB RAM, 2TB SSD ( work with a LOT of software 😁) and I'm enjoying the performance. I've been a Windows user too and in my experience the ROI for a Mac system is much greater than a comparable Windows box.

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  • Russell Webb

    David in all honesty I found it lagged in the masking, brushing, loading images areas, I did follow advice from this forum and managed to get it running better but not really 100%.

    Opening images from Browse to Develop it took some time to render them not minutes but some times 20 seconds or more, when using brushes the lag was ridiculous the cursor was near across the other side of the slider line before On1 caught up so trying to adjust just Whites, Blacks etc was very off putting, don't use presets at all so cannot comment on that, I only do wildlife/birds (mostly birds) so as all shots are very different so would take to much time to make presets.

    The other reason I am going over to Mac is the room space, no big tower under foot (in my case 2 of them as I only use one for editing the other for every day use).

    The Mac looks to give you a cleaner working space and again when I watch any YouTube videos on working with On1 it's just seems most use a Mac, I asked Jim Nix what he uses and reply was " I have an older Intel-based Macbook Pro with 64GB RAM and an 8GB AMD video card". And On1 seems to work fine when he is showing you something.

    Suggest you do what I did go into your nearest Apple shop and just have a look you only need the base unit and again as long as your monitor has a HDMI port your good to go. Russ.

     

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  • Steven Kurzrok

    There appears to be a major rework finally concentraing on speed and usability, the catalogue, and UI. If they can carry it off without major bugs killing the joy, its bound to do very well. 

    Steve

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  • Victor Boase

    Certainly good news about catalogue control. I still have blank previews in my catalogue after leaving On1 running day & night for a couple of weeks. Other ongoing issues with freezing and slow opening images for edit. Will UI address that?

    I note that Keudel acknowledges that some of us do not want subscriptions and strings attached, but now requires even Plus members to buy the subscription to get upgrades! Not happy!

    I am still not not sure that my Nvidia GTX 1050 ti is effective even though the compatibility notes say it is OK. My 16GB of RAM seems to often struggle and I wonder whether my twin core i5 twin processor has the processing speed for the ever increasing demand on CPUs of these powerful editing programs and whether it is forcing me into a PC upgrade. I shall appreciate any comments about this issue.

    As a member of a camera club I cannot use photographic elements created by third parties and certainly have to be careful about the incrase in AI beyond masking and exposure settings. Skies a definite no-no and maybe even presets. So that makes most of the Plus freebies out of bounds. I prefer to create my own images anyway and certainly appreciate the layers capability for compositing.

    I will wait for the new version with some trepidation.

     

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  • Russell Webb

    Maybe wrong but is this the upgrade from 2023.5? 

    ON1 Photo RAW MAX 2024

    Own it. Coming this fall.

    £175.55£146.29

    Watched there promo video from email and maybe it will run faster but at that price I'll beat them out the door.

    If this is correct on price for upgrade? Thanks.. 

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  • Keith Reeder

    Yep.

    Not happening. Photo RAW is not that good.

    But there's this FAQ:

    "I use Photo RAW as a standalone editor only and don't need to launch it as a plugin. Will there be another version of Photo RAW 2024 coming that doesn't have plugins?

    Yes, there will be a non-MAX version of Photo RAW 2024 that works as a standalone application only, with no plugin functionality for Ps/Lr or other editors. The non-MAX version will have 2 software activations (instead of 3 with MAX or 5 with ON1 Everything Plus), and it will not include ON1 Cloud Sync storage or access to ON1 Plus. (ON1 Plus is available separately as well.)"

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  • Gerry Whitmarsh

    Significantly cheaper I trust.

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    I just noticed in the video that both transforms are still there.

    Excuse me while I go bang my head on the wall.

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  • Keith Reeder

    "ON1 is plenty fast for me, my catalogues work just fine, keywords are behaving themselves, there are enough tools for me to customise my photos, I don’t need plug-ins, so why do I need to upgrade for 150 quid? NOW, if tack sharp and no noise worked on the edited image as an effect then…"

    Yep, that pretty much sums up my take on it too. I will benefit from the improved highlight recovery that's coming, if it gets up to LightRoom levels of effectiveness, but the one thing I want to see above all else is better exporting of downsized images.

    Being able to upscale files for large prints is great and all, and it's great being able to upscale a "dot in the frame" bird into a usable image, but - like many (most?) photographers - my main day-to-day output requirement is for web view, without upscaling.

    Because of ON1's ridiculous "sharpen everything including your PNG watermark" behaviour, I can't use the otherwise pretty good export sharpening, meaning I've got to sharpen selectively before export, and - frankly - doing so is a complete "crapshoot", as they say in the US.

    Such a little thing (which would bring watermarking and export behaviour into line with just about every other converter I use - everything else effectively applies the watermark layer after export sharpening), but it would make an exponential difference to the usefulness of Photo RAW for me.

    (And yes, I have raised this with ON1: "yeah, that's how it works..." being the "helpful" reply.)

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  • John McAtee

    Being happy with ON1 PR as it is, I am always for improvement but will somebody tell me why I need plug-ins.  Does this mean new features and functions will be sold as plug-ins?  My dislike for plug-ins is very strong.

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  • Keith Reeder

    If nothing else, it's a way to expand ON1's potential market to resolute LightRoom/Capture One/[insert name of RAW converter here] users who have no intention of walking away from their favoured converter, but might benefit from some of what Photo RAW has to offer.

    (I know that there are already Lr-compatible plugins on offer, but this must still be ON1's motivation.)

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  • Keith Neff

    Also very happy with On1 PR, in fact, just went back to our pictures from Peru from 2011 and two things struck me.  First how dodgy ISO 800 was in those days and secondly how much better I could make the pictures with PR compared to my previous work with PS and so easily.

    Didn't see any mention of this but, I hope they can fix the problem of the occasional photo that comes up with nothing in AI, no categories just foreground and background that don't do anything.

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    John, only the MAX version supports plugins. The standard version doesn't and is a different (unannounced so far) price.

     

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  • John McAtee

    Rick,  perhaps I misunderstood. If the std version and Max have the same functionality, I will remain happy.  If ON1 goes the route of, say, Luminar Neo where new functionality comes in the form of plug-ins (to what is a PS plugin) that must be purchased separately, then I will go looking for something else to edit with. There's also the idea that if one could get ON1 functionality as a PS plug-in, why not keep PS as their primary editor.  Adobe will know how to play that angle. 

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  • Ken

    I thought the only difference between the standard version and the Max version was that the Max version could be accessed as a plug-in from other apps, such as Lightroom, and the standard cannot.   In that respect, the Max version is like On1 Photo Raw used to be (prior to the 2022 version).  As I understand it, all functionality is included within the standard and Max version of PhotoRaw.  No functionality is included only in plugins, and not the base products.  If all you use is On1 Photo Raw, and you don't need to access its functionality from other apps like Lightroom, you don't need to purchase the plugins or the Max version.  Hopefully that's the case because that all-in-one integration is one of the most important characteristics of On1 Photo Raw in my opinion.

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  • Ray Miles

    I paid about 75USD to upgrade to PR2023 last September. Given that I am not that excited about any of the new features in v2024 (unless there is a big improvement to TackSharp and an auto "transform" function), I won't be considering it if the price is higher than last year. I have access to Topaz Sharpen  and Photo AI and to DxO Viewpoint, which more than meet my needs where PR is lacking. And, as a casual user, I am quite happy with current speeds.

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