Edited Image vs Exported File
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Hi. Subsequent to my previous post in which I mentioned the visible difference in the punch/ sharpness of the edited file within ON1 and the file that's exported by ON1, came across this video on YouTube posted by Dylan/ ON1. The difference - at least to me - is quite evident. The critical sharpness is not transferred onto the exported file, which is a bit softer and flat. The histograms hence differ a bit. (Which is also reflective of a slight shift of colors, in a color file.) Had flagged this issue with the 21 version and it seems like it will be carried forward to the 24 as well. Sigh!
Link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Qi3B0i030
PS: Trying to attach screenshots, but unable to with this text. Hope the tech team takes some serious interest in resolving this. Would help avoid re-edits in LR or PS.
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From the latest video, with colors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki2pcyEz4aU
The colors are, well, off color.
The dynamic contrast is reduced.
The histograms make it evident.
The border added (or is it the Sky Swap?!) doesn't get transferred right. Look at the clouds on the right/ top right as part of the image within ON1 vs the exported file in Lightroom.
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What colorspace are you exporting to? Photo RAW uses the ProPhoto colorspace by default. When you Export an image to RGB or sRGB there is going to be some color shift if any of the colors in your image are outside of the space you are exporting to. ProPhoto is a very wide color space and it is possible some colors are being moved to fit inside the new space.
PhotoRAW has a Soft Proofing mode where you can view the image in the colorspace of your choice. Optionally, the program will identify those colors which are out of gamut so you can correct them before exporting. See pages 125 & 226 in the User Guide for a complete description of how this feature works.
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Well, one will have to ask Dylan as to what colorspace his original images in both his ON1 2024 videos are and their exported PSDs to Lightroom. I would assume both were the same.
As for my own experience, which I shared in two earlier posts, I had tried all possible spaces and export versions like dng, tiff, psd and jpg. In fact, Stevie of ON1 support acknowledged that there is indeed a visible shift in not just colors but the critical sharpness as well. But apparently the dev team is too busy to work on this right now.
These 'official videos' are a good indicator that the problem isn't at my end.
The export issue - as seen in the ON1's videos - are also not limited to sharpness and color shift. The sky swap/ border effect(s) too has been impacted.
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When troubleshooting problems, never assume anything! 😉 I also notice you failed to answer any of my questions so I'm out of here. You should work with tech support. Dylan is not tech support BTW, you'll be working with someone else.
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It's an ON1 software issue. I just highlighted that here. And have also alerted the tech team yet again (about the glaring differences in the edits vs exports) with a link to this post. Dylan is not tech support, yes I'm aware. But I was expecting him to be more aware of the differences with his very own edits and exports. Since he sort of speaks for the brand.
PS: Btw, FWIW here's my version 2021 post: https://on1help.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360078473531-Exported-image-looks-flat-and-dull
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I remember this from back then and I told you and asked you the exact same questions then.
Did you even look at the Soft Proofing screen to see if any of the colors in your image are out of gamut for your intended target colorspace? That should be the first place you go for an issue like this. Make sure everything is in the target space so the program does not have to move it there for you. Then and only then can you say it is a problem with the program if it continues to shift.
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UPDATE: Stevie from the technical support team just got back. The Dev team has acknowledged the variance in the Edit vs Exported files esp with Nikon. And though there is no ETA wrt the bugs, it's being considered seriously.
I now hope that this issue is resolved by at least the first update of the 2024 version. Fingers crossed.
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Thanks for the update. I would not have expected the type of camera used to take the picture to affect the exported image. I would have thought the program would produce the same result from the edits regardless of the source.
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I guess that feedback was given since I submitted a NEF Raw file along with various versions of exports and log file, and screenshots as well.
My 2021 (edit vs export) example was with a Canon CR2 Raw file.
Also, Dylan's videos feature Sony's ARW files - the screenshots of which I had posted earlier.
So it's pretty much across camera brands.
If the end result is critical to your professional work, with no softened image with less micro contrast, or color shift, or irregular representation in Sky Swap and/ or borders etc, then one has to be concerned. And await the dev team's solution.
If those things don't matter, life can go on peacefully without splitting hairs.
I had begun editing a huge set of wedding images. And the exported files were a disappointment more in terms of sharpness, and a bit in terms of color. The exported images definitely didn't match the punch of their edited counterpart.
If it gets resolved soon, I would be the happiest.
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