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Don’t want AI keywords in 2024 install

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    Note that when you set that option to OFF, it's a per catalog setting. it's not global. in other words, if you have more than one catalog, you need to turn it off in each of them.

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  • David Tillett
    Great answers

    If catalog folder preferences are set to OFF then there is no automatic scanning for AI Keywords. As Rick says this has to be done for every catalogued folder.

    Individual images and folders can still be scanned for AI Keywords, option in Keyword AI section of Metadata. This scanning does take the Keyword AI preferences into account, I have folder name turned off and this did not appear, turning recognize faces on  I got approx age added but turning it off again and scanning a similar image didn't add this.

    If Write Keyword AI results to XMP is turned off then even if AI keywords are generated they do not end up in normal keyword list without user action.

    Having sorted all this out during the beta program my standard keyword list is not being messed up with AI keywords. It does not seem to be possible to eradicate them from sidecars and the On1 database but as they appear in own metadata panel, and there is a separate search option for AI keywords I am not seeing this as a real issue.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    I have only 1 cataloged folder. I have turned it off. It still runs anyhow. Not constantly now that the Catalog has been built but every time I add new photos or I go to an older folder I haven't worked on for a while more junk keywords get added for me to remove.

    I even set it to Manual so I would have to tell the program to scan a folder. It continues to scan anyhow.

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  • David Tillett
    Great answers

    Brian, are you changing values on an existing catalogued folder or cataloguing a new folder with these values? 

    Having done a complete reset of 2023 and only recatalogued a couple of folders I have recatalogued from scratch in 2024.

    During beta testing I experimented with various settings, deleting and recataloguing folders a number of times. I now have 22 catalogued folders with just over 60000 images in it. My recent photos are organised by years and I have only the last couple of years, and folders of practice images, marked as update on every load, everything else is set to manual, and standard sized previews.

    I am not seeing any scanning for Keywords at all. I just added a folder of images which has been picked up by the parent folder which is scanned on each load and all the images are saying not scanned for Keyword AI.

    I still see odd problems with unwanted keywords appearing in my normal keyword list, but this seems to be linked to testing things out, doesn't happen with my normal workflow.

     

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    That is my one and only, existing Catalog. Been that way forever.

    I haven't added anything new for a couple of weeks but I'm planning another trip soon so I'll keep an eye out.

    I sincerely hope I'm wrong and it is something else but I can't account for why the same images keep having the same unwanted keywords applied to them periodically otherwise.

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  • David Ayars

    Richard and Rick, you're right, I wasn't seeing "Off" as an option for Keyword AI in Catalog Properties, only "Basic" and "Honor Preferences," but I rechecked, and "Off" is there as an option, in tiny print at the top of the list--I had just missed it. "Off" should kill Keyword AI, unless there's a bug.

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  • Gilles Subias

    Hello,

    Did someone found a solution for deleting all those unwanted KW ? I tried deleting my cataloged folder, recreate a new one (same photos/folders), setting Off, AI kwords all unchecked in prefs etc), but again kw AI fall as snow at christmas, on each photo obliged to delete them 1 after 1 etc.

    I tried create a new cat folder from photos never used in PR, ok no AI kw invading (settings Off etc same as 1rst catalog); so how may I proceed to have my 1st catalog empty of the unwanted AI kw ? I don't want to loose all my previous edits, personal keywords etc. Automatic AI KW must be somewhere in the PR code/program.

    And also, not the same problem at all, is there a setting for the search bar non display each time in Browse, I must go in Window menu.

    Thanks 

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  • Karen McBride

    I was able to stop AI keywords from populating my list of keywords. Here is how I did it.

    - Confirm that I have a backup of all photos from BEFORE the problem existed. I’ll call this PREbackup.
    - Confirm that I have a backup of photos added after the problem existed. This is the POST backup.
    - Of course make sure you have a backup of the current state of you computer too, just in case.
    - Delete all versions of ON1 from my computer so none exist. I did this using the new App Manager.
    - Delete all photos from my computer. Mine were all in the Mac Picture folder.
    - Delete the ON1 Cache and Perfect browser. For some reason they aren’t deleted when you remove the software and this was what was causing the AI keywords from populating my keywords list when I left them in place and installed 2024 version.
    - Install 2024 version
    - Uncheck all the check boxes for AI keywords in two places - System Preferences and Catalogues Properties.
    - Restore the backup of all photos from before the AI Keywords problem existed - the PREbackup
    - Check that the AI keywords are gone.
    - Restore a few photos from the POSTbackup to see if they create AI keywords. If they don’t proceed to restore the rest of the POSTbackup checking frequently to see if AI keywords are being created. I was lucky and none of my POSTbackup photos created any new AI keywords. If they had I probably would have deleted the sidecar files from those photos which means I would have lost my edits. For me that would have been a small number of photos.

    I would like to have the AI keywords populate the suggested list of AI keywords as I can see that some of them would be useful. But I don’t dare even try to implement that option for fear the AI keywords will scan all my photos again and automatically start adding keywords to my side car files and populate my keyword list again. It was truly a royal PITA to clean up the mess. Good luck and feel free to ask more questions. It took me many tries to find a solution that worked for me.

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  • Gilles Subias

    Merci !

    As most of my photos have been developed, edited, keyworded... with PR 2019 > 2023-24, I can't use the "PREbackup" & "POSTbackup" solution. The only way I can be cool is just close the AI Keywords panel !

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    I just did a Reset and rebuilt my catalog of 19,000+ photos. KAI added back 787 unwanted keywords that I deleted.

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  • Ken

    I assume anytime Keyword AI does a scan it's going to scan for and find all the keywords in its internal 'master list'. The Delete option for Keywords just deletes those keywords from your photos' metadata, but never deletes them from its master list.

    I put a request into the Photo Raw Project to add an option to the contextual menu in the keyword list to 'Delete and Exclude' a keyword so it can be deleted from photos and also excluded in any future scans.  Maybe there's another approach, but until there's something like that, trying to curate your AI keyword list seems almost pointless.

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  • Karen McBride

    Ken, like you I hated the Ai keywords in my keyword list. As I was deleting them from my list I watched them repopulate before my very eyes (I assume AI keyword was scanning). The killer for me was a keyword for every folder I had. I store my photos in folders by the date I import them so I can have 20+ folders for a month.
    It was quite the mess. I tried to explain it to support but they acted like I had a few bad keywords and suggested I just delete the side car files. I sure hope they come up with a better solution. I’ve never come so close to dumping Photo Raw and moving on to some other software. I will go and vote for you suggestion.

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  • Ken

    Thanks, Karen. I just submitted my suggestion to the Photo Raw Project a few days ago so, I doubt it's been reviewed yet.

    FYI I had done my initial 2024 install and let it generate full keywords for my 38k photos.  I had ongoing performance issues and I think a lot of it had to do with the keyword scanning process (even after it was supposedly complete).  So, I rebuilt my catalog specifying OFF as the Keyword AI option for ever folder.  I still have the keywords in the on1 and XML files from the prior scan.  I then deleted about 12-15 keyword (things like 'image', 'low contrast,' human action,' etc) from my photos and from the keyword list.  They have stayed deleted because Photo Raw isn't doing any Keyword AI scanning anymore.


    When I added a new catalog folder, I still used the Keyword AI OFF option, but manually scanned for keywords later.  Of course, the keywords I had previously deleted were added back to the keyword list and were assigned to the new photos.  But at least it didn't add them back to any of my existing 38k photos. Still, I think I'll just ignore the keywords I don't want until On1 does something in this area.

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    Just FYI, the photo raw project only gets reviewed a couple times a year. It's not looked at every day.

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  • Glyn Davies

    For what it is worth, I think I have found a way to delete all keywords from photos.

    it is a bit of PT but not too time consuming.

    in each folder or catalogue folder, select all the images and then select the keywords (ctl-A) and delete the keywords.

    So far they have not returned.

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