Anyone tried 2019.1 yet?
Just did a quick edit and export. Still seemed sluggish, but I had a lot of other stuff going on. Will try to dedicate some time later today or tomorrow and see how it goes. I've been working on a trial of another software package last few days, so this may have to wait until after the 1st.
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Just downloaded and had a quick try. NAS drives missing from browser, they were there in build 6251???
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I have just tried 2019.1, same old same old, try to do any serious masking with effects filters, it just gets slower and s l o w e r until the curser grinds to a stop then you wait for it to play catch up. unusable. I have been on board since the first ver. of 2017 and I so want On1 to succeed, but 2017 never delivered same for 2017.5, again ver. 2018 was never finished always clunky felt more like a beta version than a finished product. Now we have 2019 even more whistles and bells, but the basics still don't perform like they should. Like I said same old, same old. pity.
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It's funny. I'm looking seriously at 3 different packages right now. Two of them have clearly rushed a product to market that is not ready. As someone who was in development for 30 years, I am very familiar with the battle between engineers wanting it perfect and marketing wanting it shipped yesterday. In the 80s, there was a saying, "If it compiles and the splash screen comes up, ship it."
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I have to agree. I am really disappointed. I don't want any new features right now I just want what I have to work. Initially after upgrading I thought things were improved. Moving between photos and zooming was quicker. However as soon as I start applying a local adjustment (brightening a white background) it seems that On1 starts to slow down. I don't think I can wait till January for the next release. I really don't want to but I think I will ask for a refund and renew my Adobe subscription.
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Pour l'instant, On1 2019 est inutilisable. C'est un problème pour un amateur, encore plus pour un utilisateur professionnel
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Where can I find 2019.1? I was given an interim update in an attempt to fix a bug and it says I have the latest version. It says it is
13.5.0.6194
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Just go to Help and click Check for Updates. Latest version is 2019.1(13.1.0.6264).
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That did not work for me. It said I had the latest. I thought there was a link to the latest of each product on their web page. I can submit a ticket as they should be working tomorrow, if no body has a link.
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Never mind, I found it via the web site under my products...
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I just installed it and tested it to see if the browsing and scrolling computer lockups I was experiencing were addressed. It seems that they where as I could not get it to hiccup at all and it was very consistent and locking up on the initial release of 2019. That is all I have tested so far.
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I too am a bit disappointed. I do quite a bit of high ISO stuff, and the sharpening and noise reduction just doesn’t cut it. Lightroom is just so much better. I love ON1 for the filters and effects and have been with ON1 from the beginning, but I just wish that they would improve on the basics and the DAM instead of new bells and whistles.
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Just processed a few images on different systems for overall comparisons and thought I'd try 2018.5 and 2019.1 as part of that. 2019.1 took 25% longer to do the same thing. While this alone is unacceptable, most of that 25% was trying to get the mouse to move or dragging a mask. It was painful.
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I received updates for Windows and ON1 (2019.1) this week. There are improvements when masking in effects but not enough. I'm hoping someone can help me with this. I am editing 16-bit, 300dpi images. I want to convert it to 8-bit. Does anyone know an easy way to do this?
ON1, IF YOU ARE READING THIS, ADD A SAVE/SAVE AS FEATURE AND ADD A PULL DOWN MENU WHERE WE CAN CHANGE BITS/CHANNEL (8, 16...) AFTER THE IMAGE IS OPEN
I agree with Anthony Quinn, focus on fixing the issues ON1 has today with masking in effects, a save/save as feature, changing bit depth after the image is open, ect. Not having multiple copies that take up HDD space should not be one of your montras? Let the user decide to use the HDD space. I stopped using ON1 2018 because of the loss of productivity. A month ago I started using ON1 again. My productivity has slowed to a crawl. Unfortunately I will go back to using Photoshop 2019. For what I am doing ON1 is much faster. It might take a little longer but I end up with a finished product.. I can open a 16-bit image convert to 8-bit, save as and give it a unique name all in a matter of seconds and I am confident I have two images, an 8 and 16 bit.. and when I'm through I save the original RAW, PSD, TIFF, JPG, flattened, cropped and print ready images in one folder, backed up 2x, on seperate drives.. Call me paranoid wasting all that HDD space, but it gives me peace of mind. I will continue to use ON1, just not when it comes to masking,, right now.... Now I have work to do in Photoshop to finish this project..
Thanks for reading my rant, I hope someone at ON1 reads it too.
David Wolfe
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You can do this fairly easily with some very, very good freeware:
I have been using this software for at least 10, perhaps 20 years and it is my default image viewer. I know will allow you to change the color depth on NEF, .RW2, .PEF raw files, and any of the normal image files such as .jpeg, .tiff, bmp, etc.
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Same old, same old.
The issue with excessive and constant rewriting of the database files for cataloged folders still exists. This issue can cause performance issues for many/most. There have been thread(s) in these forums.
Fit view is still oversharpened.100% view seems fine.
For anyone who has a 2019.5.x.x build; Support gave you a link to an interim build of the software. Unfortunately it was marked as 2019.5 so the normal check for updates process does not work since .5 is "newer" than .1. Just install the 2019.1 over that 2019.5. I did have a 2019.5 interim build installed.
If you look closely at the full version number, the last number which is a build number, is greater than any interim builds. I had a couple of interim builds between 2019.0 and 2019.1.
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Seem that not much has different with this up date. Still having trouble with masking. Program slow down if any amount of masking is done. Slider almost stop working and everything else works at a crawl. My Windows Computer is less than a year old and has more than the minimums required. I am becoming more and more disappointed with their progress. Seems like alot of talk and not much action. Still hoping for better results.
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Does anyone at On1 read these comments? I do not think so, same old same old. Every new update feels like more Bells and Whistles at the cost of basic functions. One step forward two steps back. I also wonder if On1 are up to speed reading the comments on Photo forums, my main forum is Micro4/3 users, and On1 is almost a dirty word there, it gets ridiculed by everyone who has used it. I have been an On1 user through versions 2017-2018-2018.5-and now 2019 beta-2019- and now this latest version 2019.1. and to be honest it is not fit for purpose, effects filter masking does not work, it just gets slower and slower until the cursor or brush grinds to a stop. and yes, I do so much want On1 to succeed the concept is fantastic, it just does not work.
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I have submitted a bug report with a link to a thread in this forum in the past and that was useful. So you do have at least one way to get this information in front of ON1.
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A bug report with a link may work, but whether they read it or not is a different matter. My experience in the past as an ON1 Plus member was any negative comments were taken down within 12 hours.
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I got a request for more data on that bug report with the link to this forum. I am pretty sure no software company in existence would ignore a bug report. They may not respond back quickly (but ON1 seems to) or they may store it in a bin with 100 other of the same type bugs and not get back to you immediately. But forums are a different story and there is no "bug/issue" forum other that this group of user to user ones. It was not always that way, but ON1 wanted users to submit bug reports so they created this zendesk forum as a way for users to vent and hopefully get quick answers that might solve their issue. Sort of a first line of defense. I know that ON1 reads this forum as there has been several times ON1 has posted something at the top of the initial post saying something about the issue.
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A lot of these posts are of limited value to the community, if the poster does not give the operating system and version. I'm surprise to see so many questions, comments, and complaints, without such a vital bit of information as the OS you are running, and the hardware you are running it on. CPU, cores, GPU, RAM, and type of drives and the busses they are running on - are pretty vital to know, if one wants are meaningful comments and progress.
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Pavel, agreed. It's very difficult to give useful advice if someone is doing nothing more than complaining. On a Windows PC it's vital that the GPU is set up properly for On1 but rarely does anyone mention the steps they took before complaining. On top of that, there is nothing more annoying than taking time to write some thoughtful advice only to be told 'I've already done that. It doesn't work.'. Well, thanks for wasting my time.
Would be nice if we had a moderator who could pin some rules/suggestions to the top of the forum.
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I am using the same computer, CPU, GPU,OS etc,etc. for 2019.1 as I used for 2018.5.
2019.1 is slower with everything, to the point where it no longer works. Limited value or not 2019 is not fit for purpose.
I have reverted back to 2018.5 till it is sorted...….
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Doesn't matter if you're using the same computer. You still need to point the GPU to 2019. It's a different program than 2018 and that setting doesn't propagate when you install.
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I cannot speak for everyone else Pavel/Rick but I have logged all my issues with Support including my PCs specification and all have been marked as solved. I am not a programmer or developer but I have worked in IT for many years. What I fail to comprehend is how a piece of software that has been through testing can be so twitchy with regards to system specs/configuration (as that is what many people cite may be the issue). To a point if a computer meets or exceeds the minimum specification it should run reasonably well. Shouldn't it?
I posted in this forum to share my experiences and ask if anyone else was having issues as I was convinced I must be missing something. In fact hoped I was missing something. I believe ON1 could potentially have a great piece of software that could actually lure some photographers away from Adobes Photography plan. I personally do not need full blown Photoshop for starters but I do need a piece of software that allows me to quickly select/reject/rate photos having zoomed in to check for focus. I simply cannot do this as the software is too slow and that is before I start using local adjustments.On paper it is a very impressive piece of software. Personally I think On1 should focus an getting what they have fast and stable across platforms and not adding new features. I would pay more for On1 Photo Raw if it delivered what it promised and perhaps that is where the problem lies. They perhaps need more developers and more QA/testing which would obviously add to the cost but we would have a real competitor to Lightroom and to a point Photoshop. I have tried Luminar. Exposure X4 but neither have what Photo Raw does.
If those of us having issues were isolated cases then of course our exact system specification is crucial to help On1 developers fix the issues. However from what I can gather quite a few people are having issues.
I wish On1 every success and I will be checking back when my Adobe subscription is due for renewal
Apologies if I have ramble a bit I am 3 beers in :)
Merry Christmas All
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Yesterday I upgraded my ON1 2019 app to version 2019.1 (13.1.0.6264) on my 2018 McBookPro. I had been using the older 2019.1 version for some time and it worked perfectly; masking, brushes, exporting, merging layers, creating stamped layers etc all were pretty quick. My OS operating system at the time was High Sierra. I installed the .6264 version and tried processing images. The brushes were sticky, slow and left streaks when I lifted the pen from the Wacom tablet; they were so slow that trying to use the brush tool when creating or modifying masks was an exercise in futility. When I applied a gradient mask and visualized the mask (red overlay) on the image then moved the mask position it took several seconds for the mask overlay to move to the new position. Creating a new stamped layer from as few as two layers took several minutes (>5). Creating jpegs via export, either from the Browse or Edit mode, took literally minutes (today I timed how long it took to create a 1500px long edge jpeg from a 220mg file from the Browse module and it took 5min 10 secs!). Anytime I do even simple tasks my computer's fans now really rev up. Rather distraught I reasoned that perhaps performance would be enhanced by upgrading my MAC OS system to Mojave, which I did this morning. I opened RAW 2019.1 as a standalone and tried again with exactly the same results. Since ON1 was performing well just minutes before upgrading to .6264 I can only conclude that it is the new version is the culprit.
I hope you can help because RAW 2019 is essentially in my current workflow and was quick becoming my app of choice for things I always did via the combination of LR and PS. AS it stands now RAW 2019.1 is virtually completely unusable. I was an early adopter of ON1's raw processing apps and have been a faithful user for years. I have even given talks to groups about the advantages of ON1 processing. But alas unless you guys can do something to help return the performance of the current
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I can see both sides of this discussion, but as Anthony pointed out, it's not just a few isolated cases in which the user might have some unique config that needs addressing. And there are competitors out there (not as many as there should be) that just work You install it you get to work. If someone offered me the most amazing camera ever invented, but if I want to shoot landscapes, I'd need to configure the processor, I'd probably take a pass. I've been in IT for over 30 years and have the knowledge and ability to get under the hood - I just don't think that's my job in this case. If they are going to sell software that purports to run on Windows 10, it should have the logic to poll the device, determine what registry settings need to be altered and do so. ON1, Skylum and even Adobe seem to develop for Apple and Windows is a poorly designed after-thought.
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I have had experience with On1 deleting comments that were not sugar and spice and everything nice. With comments to posts on the blog. Never any language or derogatory and such. Critical comments about acknowledged by support reproducible bugs. On1 raw 2017 era.
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A bit off topic, but is there a way to quote a member, so that it's clearer who one is responding to?
Some good points are being made. I agree with some of you completely when you state that you should not be doing a lot of trouble shooting on a quality product out of beta. That makes me frustrated, despite that at time I actually enjoy tracking down bugs or trying to optimize a systems response. One should not HAVE to do that.
On the other hand, as a new trial user with no real experience, I hope it's the case that the On1 support is doing their best to put out a quality product, and keep users happy. I'll go with that assumption for now anyways. :)
I do know from many years of experience however that testing product on a general purpose machine, especially a windows box is tough. Just as a one "for example" there was a popular video card series years ago. So a computer user would buy it and install the drivers and hopefully live happily ever after. But in this one cards case, there were actually 27 (!!) iterations of the card. The chips were from different vendors on the PCB, and some of the secondary controllers were all different altogether. Long three hour explanation made simpler, when MS put out updates, even security updates, and also some of the driver updates from the various vendors, most of the time there was no problem. But some versions of these same labeled video cards would freak out in different ways, or cause random crashes - not in the video driver, but in completely different software which had they database drivers affected by this. And this sort of thing is not that uncommon. Dell is one vendor that stuffs different hardware revisions on the same model of computer all the time. Mostly no problem, but sometimes it just upsets the apple cart.
And absolutely we should not have to track this down, but one should not presume that the software maker can test for all scenarios.
A user to user forum like this is great for basic feedback, but once it's as bad as some of you have had it happen, it's best left for tech support who know the software more intimately and can read your log files.
One general purpose tip, when really bad software sluggishness is killing the performance to unusable levels, is to shout down any extra services, like all those things that sit in your taskbar, re-start the machine, and run the program again before you run any scanner, or word, or whatever other software that one runs on a every day, general purpose box. Oh and turn off any anti-virus software.
Heck, if one is using this software in a professional capacity, it's a strategy that deserves consideration to have a dedicated box just for editing. No games, no flash, no plex server running nor any of the other thousand possible sources of premature grey hair for photographers. I used to actually have a decimated box AND a dedicated win 2008 sever that held several images, so I could easily step backwards after any update. An de-install and re-install is not at all as certain to be as reliable as a re-imaging of the OS drive.
But yes, you all are right that we should hope not to have to resort to any extra-ordinary measures.
I"m a long time Capture One user. But some of their updates have been a horrid mess for a few users, while most users had a smooth ride through the same upgrade. Me? I bought two sets of licenses, so one machine would have the older version, while the second machine would have the newest release. Then when another release would come out, I'd take the older software license and upgrade it, while using the newly superseded, but now well updated and stable version as the insurance. It costs me 500 bucks more and a second machine, but the stress relief was priceless. So that's my basic outlook. Now I will keep my fingers crossed that my On1 experience is a. good one. :)
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