Anyone tried 2019.1 yet?
Just did a quick edit and export. Still seemed sluggish, but I had a lot of other stuff going on. Will try to dedicate some time later today or tomorrow and see how it goes. I've been working on a trial of another software package last few days, so this may have to wait until after the 1st.
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This update killed my workflow as editing and masking is 100% broken. What a terrible piece of garbage to release to public. I'm searching to go back to previous version. This update is as bad as any from ON1. Check out shadows on your images and you'll see a weird dash pattern that isn't remotely close on original raw image. If you love the spinning beach ball, this update is for you. People wonder why Adobe still can change monthly. This is why. Fix this crap ON1!!! Garbage!!!!
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I've been using it extensively over the last couple of days. Windows 10 Home 64 bit. 16 GB memory, NVIDIA 2 GB GT 1050 graphics card. 25K+ image catalogue.
I can't say it's the fastest piece of software I've used - but at the same time I can't fault it (or break it). I'm not seeing any of the issues I've seen reported here and elsewhere - and believe me, I've looked!
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If the software can't configure the GPU automatically, then, at the very least, it should have the ability to make the choice from within the software rather than forcing users through a convoluted process they may or may not be qualified to handle.
From ACDSee options:
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My computer has an Intel HD graphics 530, and a GeForceGTX950m, I have tried them both with On1 2019.1 and neither work with masking in effects, the cursor or brush still grinds to a halt after a few minutes use. I have used the GeForce GPU for all older versions of On1, also for LR 6. without the problems I have now. Also in November all the On1 2019 hype was about the new A.I. masking coming in December, this is now being played down and no longer mentioned, what happened?
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OK, maybe I should inject a bit, just a bit, of positive in a very negative discussion.
I will start with the configuration of my Toshiba Laptop: Windows 10, Intel Core i5, RAM 16GB;
My experience with the Support staff has been positive for the most part. They have always responded very quickly and followed up to see if the suggestions they provided corrected my problems. Here I have to note that most of these suggestions did not work and I had to try to find on my own or through this forum a workaround for my problems.
I just installed the latest version 2019.1 and here are my first reactions to date:
- I am able now to use the Refine Brush with the big files produced by Nikon's D800. ON1 would just stop responding and I had to restart if I tried to use the Brush, could only use it on the smaller D600 files. Support claimed the problem was due to the Video card, obviously it was not;
- I can now use ON1 while its cataloguing the Lightroom's migrated files. Could not use ON1 with the Catalog and I had to ditch it as suggested n this forum;
- Support recommended that I run ON1 as Administrator which I did. I will try to see if I can still enjoy 1 and 2 above if I just run it;
- If I leave ON1 idle, doing nothing to allow it to continue working on the Catalog, it would shut off after an hour or so!!?!?
- I tried the new version editing just a couple of files, and checking LR's migrated files, so it is too early to be more positive, I will have to really test it next year.
Meanwhile, Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year 2019
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Darryl Brooks, if you are running Windows and have an NVIDIA GPU as well as perhaps an Intel GPU, or some other GPU built into the mother board, you need to tell Windows to establish a connection between ON1 and the NVIDIA GPU. There are a couple of ways to do this (at least on my old desktop which had two GPUs). One way is to make the NVIDIA the default GPU, or tell NVIDIA, thru it's control panel app, to be the GPU when ON1 runs. This is probably the better way as you can adjust a whole lot of parameters for just when ON1 runs. I just took the defaults (or I might have used Photoshop suggestions on how to configure the NVIDIA GPU). I am not saying that ON1 could not do it when it runs, but there is no preference or config dialog in ON1 to do this.
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Antoine Hawara, My immediate and troublesome issues, particularly with the catalog, are now gone with the 2019.1 release. Also you comment "If I leave ON1 idle, doing nothing to allow it to continue working on the Catalog, it would shut off after an hour or so!!?!?" was something I never say under 2019 (and I think 2018). But 2019.1 fixed that also. ON1 drops down to nearly nothing (way under 10% cpu usage) if I give it enough time. Woohoo.
Writing software that will run on pretty much any version of Windows, and writing it without being able to test the thousands of variations of Windows floating around, would scare the crap out of me. I was a Windows programmer for almost 40 years but everything I did I could test on specific hardware. On top of that, ON1 is using a foundation library called Qt (https://www.qt.io/) which is hardware independent so there is a layer between ON1 and the Mac or Window hardware. I also used Qt for the last 5 or so years of my non-retirement career. It is a very mature software product, but you know it is not perfect. I had to add several work around in it too.
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I hope I did not come across as a "Negative Nancy". I so want this software to work for me. I have:
Windows 10 all patched updated
I5 7500
16GB RAM
Nvidia 1050ti 1GB latest drivers
SSDs
I have disabled my antivirus and am not using catalogs. GPU is configured as suggested even though I have only one. I tried to work through a sequence of headshots on a white background. Initially On 1 is fine I then use a local adjustment brush to brighten the background which works ok. But if I zoom in and use the brush On1 is very laggy. If I then move through photos in browse it is fine as long as those photos have no local adjustment applied. As soon as I return to a photo that has been edited it stalls when loading preview and also when zooming in and out. Weird. I have not bothered trying to re-enable the cataloging and appreciate this may now be fixed. Moving between photos and zooming in and out is the basic stuff.
I fully appreciate that not every single hardware and software configuration can be tested but I do find it strange that some people with similar specs have no issues whilst others of us struggle. I don't want to compare apples and oranges but Lightroom and Photoshop just work on my rig and work fast and all I did was click "install". I suppose people would say "well just stick with Adobe" but I really think there should be some healthy competition out there and Photo Raw 2019 has 99% of what I need if it would just be a lot snappier. I would happily pay $150 to own ON1 Photoraw and I would rather give my money to On1 who seem to listen to what photographers want.
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What I find fascinating about this thread is that my 10 year old PC with quad core 266 cpu, 8gig mem and Nvidia GPU does editing just fine with 2019.1. There are still areas where the CPU gets maxed out but I don't blame On1 for that. Even catalogs seem to work 'better' (not perfect) in the new version. My areas of slowness are in loading/saving/exporting. My PC seems to handle Photo Raw much better than some of your PC's with twice the specs.
Edited: My cam is Tier 2 as well, so using a slower Raw processor.
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Just to throw in my two cents worth in I am new to ON1 2018.5, 2019 and it's new update and each update issues are getting worse to the point that I can't run it, it crashes faster each time I open it. I get an error report window each time I start it and I type a detailed report of my issues and close to when I am to send it the window closes and all is lost. The next time I type less but the report window closes sooner and the next even sooner so I can't even report or use the software. It is looking like I through away $134 Canadian away. It is too bad because I very much like what it looks like it is intended to do but it does not do it. So where I go from here do I wait for improvements or is it the end of ON1.
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Bentley Bloodworth, just to make sure.... are you certain that you have the latest GPU video driver? That is a known source of ON1 crashes.
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Rick, I did some editing today and I would have to say that 2019.1 runs pretty much just like 2018 for me. One area that ON1 really could stand some improvement is the way it keeps itself refreshed while editing. The more filters you use, the SLOWER it gets in responding to sliders. And if you have the left window open while editing and there are images in there that respond to changes you are making to the current edit (such as LUT, Texture, and a slew of other things), that causes ON1 to slow even more. Think about it... ON1 is trying to keep everything accurate so it is adjusting every window that has the image in it every single time you tweak a filter. I saw this in 2018 for sure. I am not complaining. This is totally a software design issue and I am sure that if I had a hand in designing this software, it would not be any better.
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Good points Kevin. I do keep the left pane closed while editing. When having 2 or 3 layers it's slow to switch layers, but no real problem editing once it's switched. When adding filters the most I'd have is maybe 6 or so. I believe my bottleneck is disk access when reading/writing files. Since I only have 8 gig, when working on larger projects there needs to be a lot of memory switching in and out to the drive.
Now that I think of it, sometimes I have to wait for a slider effect to catch up with the setting, but as far as sticking brushes and crops, they work fine (unless the $%$#@ catalogs are running, and then nothing works right).
As for software design, I have about 53000 photos now. I only work on one at a time. The other 52999 don't need to be re cataloged while I'm working. Only the current folder needs to be scanned for changes and if I add photos or another folder On1 can scan it when I click on it. Sorry On1, your catalog approach sucks.
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Kevin Pinkerton
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Bentley Bloodworth, just to make sure.... are you certain that you have the latest GPU video driver? That is a known source of ON1 crashes.
My machine is 8 years old and I have updated GPU but no new updates for a few years. It looks like I will stay with Lightroom 6 and CS5.5 they run very good on my machine. I was hoping to get away from Adobe but it looks like they can't be beat yet too bad I want away from them. I will try ON1 when new updates come along to see if they get it fixed, once they want more money for the updates I will have to say goodbye at that time.
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Bentley, what GPU do you have? My 10 y/o GPU has updates every 3 or 4 weeks. You might want to double check that.
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I have just spent another couple of hours using On1 2019.1 this evening.
Before any one suggests it, I am using a top class GPU with the newest drivers. When using develop everything works fine, up until I try to use Local adjustments with a brush, the more I brush the more the brush slowly grinds to a halt and every time I move the cursor I have to wait until the brush catches up (several seconds) Same with Effects everything seems to go all right up until I wish to use the masking brush, same again the more I brush the more it slows up and stops.
So my problems are with the Local Adjustment Brush, and the Effects Masking Brush. I wonder if they are linked.
I still have ver.2018.5 installed and it works fine.
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I now believe that it was definitely premature for me to offer even a bit of positives about 2019.1!! This afternoon between 3:11PM and 3:18PM ON1 crashed 5 times. than It behaved until 4:34PM before crashing again, I was just moving from Edit to Browse.
I just eliminated the whole migrated Catalog, over 45,000 images, and I am now trying to see if ON1 will handle just a year at a time. I have one sub-directory from 2018 and the whole of 2017 been cataloged now and I have not experienced any crash since around 5:00 PM. The negative side of deleting the migrated Catalog is the loss of LR edits.
I am seriously thinking about going back to my Lightroom 6 and Affinity Photo.
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Antoine, I would suspect that if the Catalog is making it crash, it would be because of a corrupted database. If that's true, it's possible that rebuilding the catalog might fix the problem. My catalog is about 53000 photos and On1 rarely crashes. When it does, it's not because of catalogs.
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Thanks Rick for the information, but how can I rebuild the catalog??? I am under the impression it is done automatically by ON1, like Lighroom.
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It's what you said you were doing. Eliminate the catalog and add the photos back in.
On1 manages the catalog too, but I don't know if it can fix a corrupted one. So what you're doing is a good idea to see if it helps.
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Antoine , there are at least two ways to remove a catalog. One is from inside ON1. Highlight the catalog, then go up to the File Menu and click on "Remove Cataloged Folder". Do this for each catalog subdirectory.
The second way is to browse via MS Explorer to: C:\Users\Kevin\AppData\Roaming\ON1\ON1 Photo RAW 2019 but replace "Kevin" with your user name. Then rename the ExploreService to something else (Like ExploreServicexx). Then go back into ON1 and your catalog will be gone.
Just make sure you have sidecars turned before doing any of this. If you need help creating sidecars, just ask. It is very easy to do after the fact.
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Je ne voulais pas payer pour un abonnement Adobe. Je suis donc resté avec PS CS6 et LR6. Pourtant, j'utilise ON1 depuis le début. Comme cela devient de plus en plus catastrophique, la version 2019 est le summum, je n'utilise que ON1 de PS avec les filtres et les retouches locales. (les détails et la structure sont parfaits).
J'ai supprimé tous les fichiers catalogués, c'est mieux, mais c'est loin d'être ADOBE en termes de réactivité.
J'ai un i7, SSD, 16 Go de RAM, je pense que c'est à l'aise.
Malgré cela, ON1 plante d'autres logiciels. Il est presque impossible d'écouter de la musique, certainement avec un ancien logiciel WINAMP (si configurable que c'est un bonheur). Chaque fois que je déplace un curseur sur ON1, j'ai un rapport d'erreur. C'est douloureux0 -
Je ressens ta douleur, Joyeux Noël.0 -
Je partage tes frustrations Jean-Pierre. Joyeux Noel et bonne année
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Thanks Kevin for your input. In fact this is exactly what I have been doing so far, cataloging and deleting catalogs!!. I organize my portfolio by Year/Subject and I tried yesterday to catalog by year, starting with 2017 Plus one sub-directory from 2018. I left the computer on all night and ON1 did not crash, it does not mean it will crash today!! As they say in French "c'est la vie".
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Antoine, If I add a catalog and then wait for hours, when I come back, ON1 is pretty responsive. This morning I was told that there was a Wacom tablet driver update, so I installed it and it required a reboot. While starting up I turned on the task manager and was reminded that my anti-virus software (AVG) runs the show for the first minute or so. I had excluded (via exceptions in an AVG menu) the main photo directory so AVG ignored it. But this morning I decided to increase that exclusion to:
C:\Users\Kevin\AppData\Roaming\ON1\* (I selected this via browse, and the Kevin part is unique to me)
I did the same thing to the ON1 scratch folder and the ON1 browse cache that.
I did the same thing to another directory that was in my catalog.
I cannot be absolutely sure, but my gut says that excluding these from my anti-virus has improved performance. I will know better later today when I get into some serious editing.
BTW, I have not implemented keywords, and my photos are organized by year, month, day and a verbose description of the contents of the images in that folder.
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I have a new PC with i5 processor, 32RAM, Nvidia Quadro P1000 GPU and 500G SSD.
I just started to use PhotoRaw and I find it slower than CR or LR but it does not seem a disaster like described in the previous posts (at least on my PC).
I tried to use the Focus tool and it does not work properly both in the 2019 and 2019.1 version
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I installed this update 2019.1 what a mistake My graphics driver is crashing when I start editing. Is there a way to get the 2019 first release version. I don't have the release version file anymore. This software has been nothing but issues
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It is probably still around in your Download directory unless you have deleted it from that diectory.
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I deleted it
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