Capture NX-D & RAW 2019
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Recently got a new Nikon and was trying out Capture NX-D, as I had not used Nikon's software for some time. Through ON1 RAW 2019, I opened the NEF file in NX-D and made some adjustments. I closed NX-D, but none of my adjustments showed in the file in RAW 2019. I did close and reopen the file, but same result.
I feel like I may be not grasping how NX-D handles adjustments, but I was expecting whatever adjustments I made would be saved and then I could continue applying presets and other adjustments with RAW 2019.
So is it my misunderstanding of RAW files/NX-D, or is something else going on?
Regards,
Kevin
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Photoraw will not recognise edits to raw files undertaken in CNX-D. No raw editor will recognise the raw edits done in another. All you can do is to get CNX-D to produce a tiff and return that tiff to Photoraw but the edits will be baked in. You will be able to edit the tiff further but you will not be able to change the edits undertaken in CNX-D.
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It's kind of difficult to follow, but it looks like maybe Kevin called the NX-D editor from On1. If so, On1 passed either a psd or tiff to NX-D and the edits will be on that file, not on the NEF.
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Maybe. In which case as you say he did not edit the raw in CNX-D, he edited a tiff or psd. Perhaps the OP would explain his workflow in detail?
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Thanks for the comments so far.
Colin - my workflow is:
1. From RAW 2019, I option click on the .NEF file and select "Send to Capture NX-D."
2. Option box opens, and I select "Edit Original"
3. Photo opens in Capture NX-D and I make edits. I close Capture but RAW doesn't reflect the changes.
When I do open the .NEF file again in NX-D, the original edits are still there, but I am guessing that is from the sidecar files.
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I think I see the problem. When you select Edit Original, it doesn't mean that it's sending your original NEF file, what it means is that the file it sends will be the original version without any On1 edits applied to it. The actual file that's sent is determined by the Copy Options / File Format in that same dialog. It is usually a PSD or TIFF. When you're finished with NX-D you'll need to look for a new file in the Browser with the NX-D edits applied. It usually has the same name as the original with the different extension applied. If you have your sort options non standard, it may not sort next to the original and may be at the bottom somewhere.
The Send To option is described on Page 47 of the User Guide.
PS: Photo Raw keeps your edits in a Database and a copy of them in the Sidecar files as a backup of your work.
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Thanks Rick. Followed the Copy Options / File Format and still don't get the edits to show, but I do see how it is creating a PSD file that is pushed to NX-D. When I reopen the file in NX-D, it does show the edits.
I was wanting to use RAW for the catalog feature, process the RAW in NX-D, then final work in RAW before exporting the final image. Is this workflow possible?
Regards,
Kevin
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I don't see why not, but sending to NX-D is not a supported option, at least it's not documented. The NX-D edits should be in the PSD when it gets back to On1. I think if On1 is sending the PSD then it's doing what it's supposed to do, you need to look at NX-D to see why the edits are not being applied. Once NX-D has applied the edits you should be able to see them in any photo viewer, not just On1.
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I just did "send original" to Lumninar 2018 and it sent the original raw with all edits stripped out. There is also a "send to other application" which presumably could be used to call CNX (am on mac with Mojave and ON1 2019.1). I also sent an image via the 'send to other application' option to Affinity and that also sent an unedited raw across as expected. Kevin, you say you wish to catalogue raws in ON1, edit raws in CNX and then do final edits of raw if required in ON1. Is that correct? If so it is not possible as ON1 cannot read raw edits undertaken by CNX (neither can CNX read raw edits undertaken by ON1).
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Just reloaded CNX-D on my Mac (now I remember why I took the awful thing off). Used 'send to other application' from ON1 and elected to send original. As expected a raw made it across to CNX for editing and CNX edited it just fine. Of course ON1 cannot see the edits as it cannot read raw edits applied by another program. Kevin why do you want to use CNX and ON1?
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When you send a photo from one pgogram to another, it's assumed that the 2nd program is going to bake it's changes into the file before sending it back. If NX-D isn't doing that, then there is no point in ever sending a file to it. That's what On1 does when it sends the file, just need now to figure out how to make NX-D do that. I would look for a Save/Export/Done or similar button somewhere. Sorry, I don't have NX-D to try it myself.
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Rick, ON1 sends an unedited raw file to CNX-D. CNX edits that file and that is it not does not work on the basis of sending anything back directly. However you can convert the raw (to a tiff say) and, in the conversion dialogue, send that back to the original folder as used by ON1. There is also an option to Open With where CNX automatically converts the raw to a tiff and opens it in ON1.
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Colin, So, if I read you right, Kevin should be able to get this to work if he just finds the right procedure.
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Yes I indeed, Rick, although it is not a comfortable workflow and I cannot see the benefits. If I wanted the benefits, whatever they may be, of a proprietary raw editor like CNX I would take my raws there first and send tiffs to ON1. Personally I would not and do not bother with CNX. However that is a personal decision.
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Thank you all again for the discussion above.
Colin, you asked why I wanted to use CNX and not RAW. I am trying to dedicate more time to photography and had used Lightroom previously. I don't want to use a subscription based software, and I see Lightroom as not being a long-term answer. So I'm trying to figure out a new workflow that will work for me. I have seen some posts that CNX handles NEF processing better than most programs out there. I thought I would use RAW for organizing and pre-sets, while using CNX for processing the NEF file first.
I am also looking at DxO PhotoLab 2 as well.
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It is obviously your shout, Kevin, but CNX is not great imo. It has always been sluggish and buggy and does not offer a complete solution in terms of editing power. Yes it now has limited control point functionality but that is all. Lr or PhotoRaw are well ahead of the CNX game but then what do you expect for free! PL2 is also pretty good but very geeky to use and expensive if you want the Elite version to get the full functionality. I do not get the anti subscription thing personally. I see it as being a way to ensure there is a cash flow. Others do the same but in a different way - yearly paid upgrades, special benefits like ON1 Plus etc. A software company cannot survive without income.
What ever you do, I wish you well but be aware that you will not be able to read NEF files edited in CNX in PhotoRaw or any other raw editor. The one common rule that holds good is that one raw editor cannot read the edits made to a raw file by another. All you can do is transfer a tiff or jpeg with the edits baked in.
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Thanks Colin for the feedback.
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Hi Kevin,
I stumbled upon here.. I am a CNX-D user and just recently got ON1 photo RAW. I have to say I like how my images on my camera screen matches more what I get in CNX-D. I prefer the colors and minimal noise and overall sharpness I get from Capture NX-D. I like the more advanced edits I can do in ON1 but it takes me longer to get the base look RAW image in ON1.
Just curious what is your current workflow now.. I really wanted to keep using CNX-D. I heard people doing their basic starter look at CNX-D then convert it to TIFF then open it on ON1 for further edits. Then when done and have made JPEG out of final image, they delete the TIFF file because it is too big.
Let me know what works
thanks!
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