Performance (on a budget)
PR 2019.2 - love the program more each release. But...speedy it's not. Zooming then having to pan is painful (zoom-to-cursor, anyone?). Sometimes, after even relatively brief editing sessions - switching to the browser (especially if layers are involved) takes up to 30 seconds (SSD).
I'm not bitching at OnOne here :-). I know they're working hard on this and only so much can be done with...my current toothy HW:
- ASUS Sabertooth x79, i7 3930 OC'd to 4GHz, 32GB DDR3, GTX 750 Ti 2GB, dual monitors (probably doesn't matter).
Not too bad - PS CS6 hums right along, even Doom 2016 runs smoothly - but PR doesn't.
I'm not a pro, or even a serious amateur. But I've used PS (leading to OnOne extensions, leading to PR) to edit GUI's & controls for decades (gulp). This has led me to the joys of photo editing and my sincere desire to see PR scream as best it can.
But I can't justify buying a new system and I'm maxed out in the MB department. I'd like opinions on whether I can get more bang for the buck by updating the MB/CPU/RAM (expensive 'cause you can't really upgrade piecemeal) or by working on the GPU.
What I've got now isn't much (specs: http://tinyurl.com/y4n4gtky).
How much performance will I gain by upgrading the graphics card? If I add a 2nd card can PR use both? I've always been an NVIDIA guy - any reason to consider something else?
I'd love to hear what you all think - and sorry for TL;DR.
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My laptop has 25% less clock and 50% less RAM.... the laptop video card is only 10% faster
https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-960M.138006.0.html
You did not mention disks, but it is certain that the On1 DAM is somewhat disk-centric. Thus my native PCIe NVMe drives do offer some advantage over SATA SSDs. The OS and application run off these drives.
Not being made of money... and really liking a lot of what On1 could offer, I am certainly trying to do what I can to use what I have.
I have found the best bang for the buck is something learned from Kevin P.... Basically, exclude the antivirus scanning for the On1 database directories. There is a thread that explains the process and lists the directories. I also turned off the scanning of the image files from where I have On1 cataloging. This has helped from moving to system that barely works using NVMe SSD drives... to a system that is usable. Still not speedy, but much improved.
The DAM relies on a database and database optimization is not easy. I would expect response time will get better as the DAM code matures with design team experience.
Additionally, I make sure that I only have the presets panel when I need it. Else, On1 seems to continuously want to update the preset preview images.
In your shoes, I am not sure an extra 10% of GPU will make that much difference. If you are using spinning platters over SATA, then I am certain NVMe drives over PCIe will definitely help. I would certainly try the antivirus exclusions first.
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There is a person in these forums that has a AMD Threadripper CPU, 32 Gb memory and a Nvidia 1080 graphics card and is having issues! It's the program not the computer. When you look at the recommended specs to run RAW 2019 - you are clearly there and then some. I run an older I5, 16 Gb ram and a Nvidia GT 730 with 2 Gb ram and it runs fine except when it wants to get buggy.
I run Task Manager most of the time and I have had RAW use 8 Gb memory for a single photo - seems excessive for a 24 Mpix photo. I have seen RAW max out both CPU and GPU at the same time on a single photo - again a 24 Mpix photo. My computer is older so I expect slower but it is in the recommended specs for running RAW. I have converted both drives to SSD but they are on a SATA 2 buss so not the speediest but it should help. What I've also noticed is that RAW doesn't use the GPU as much as we'd expect - my GPU sits at 0% most of the time and when doing things it will get to 30 or so % for a few seconds and then stops - not necessarily coordinated with completing a task.
Things to try if you haven't - tell the GPU to have RAW use it exclusively for 3D rendering. Exclude RAW from your antivirus software. And stop the cataloging if you notice it is always cataloging - you'd be surprised at just how much computer resources it uses up.0 -
I recently replaced an older system (2009) that was well within the required specs for running On1 software (cpu i7-960 3.2Ghz w 12 GB memory). I configured my system to be built by a local company. Newer system cpu i5-8500 3.0 Ghz 16 GB memory.
So it appears that I actually downgraded my system wrt speed; but in fact the newer chip with it's newer chip set is way faster than the older one. Even though the newer chip has a slower clock speed it has a MUCH higher effective speed due to: faster bus. faster memory, more cores.
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Leroy,
Your computer exceed the specs required to run ON1 Photo RAW 2019.2 and purchasing a new computer would make ON1 a most expensive proposition.
I too am having the same problem: ON1 is slow on my computer.
So, I've decided to put ON1 on hold for a year, leaving time for the ON1 development team to come out with a faster operating version of ON1. Since I need something to edit my images I've subscribed to LR and PSP CC for a year. Both are running smootly on my computer.
I'll be evaluating every update to ON1 and will decide next year which editing software I'll be using.
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I started PR and left it sit idle displaying the contents of a cataloged folder in the browser grid display, perhaps a dozen images. I let PR set untouched for 10 or 15 minutes, then started SysInternals excellent (and free) Process Monitor. I paused it after 1 minute, then filtered for PR file I/O events. 7,148 in one idle minute - nearly 120 per second!
I left PR open and idle overnight. First thing I did when I sat down at my computer this morning is check disk I/O. 2,944 in a minute. In analyzing the readings, it hit:
Non-cataloged:
C:\ - 1307 times
C:\User - 36 times
D:\ - 446 times
M:\ - 446 times
R:\ - 446 timesCataloged:
C: (Cataloged folder parent) - 57
C: (Cataloged folder) - 210That seems like a lot of I/O! Note that none of these are writes so it’s this isn’t causing harm to my SSD drive, but still a lot of I/O. I have to wonder why PR is hitting the roots of my local drives and my User folder.
I'll have to exclude my image folders from my AV & anti-malware software for sure.
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I'd like to re-frame my question. How much of PR's performance depends upon the GPU and how much depends on the CPU/MB? If I have to upgrade the MB I know enough to make good decisions on my own. Not so WRT the graphics card.
Which characteristics of the GPU are most important? Number of ROPs? Number of TMUs? Number of Shaders?
If I add a 2nd graphics card will PR use both GPUs? This is important because I can buy another GTX 750 inexpensively.
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Leroy, I believe the instruction from On1 state when having multiple GPUs designate one for On1.
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Leroy - I believe gamers say that Nvidia is the card to get! Unfortunately the GTX 700 series is not that powerful anymore, I have a GT 730 video card so it is a little less powerful than yours. Now the Nvidia cards to look at (if you're thinking it may help) are the GT 1050 (oldish), 1060 (somewhat relevant but a little old), 1070 (somewhat newish) and 1080 (almost new) and RTX (new but extremely pricey and new technology). More cores, faster clock speed and more memory may help but you will be on a slower buss speed. People have reported better performance in updating their video card but I don't have 1st hand experience myself.
Peter - I understand that newer everything should make a computer faster but there a quite a few people that have newer computers and have speed issues. An AMD Threadripper is a monster CPU, something like 16 cores and 32 threads so it should be able to handle anything ON1 RAW throws at it almost immediately, GTX 1080 video card is also top end ... I tried to use my son's new I7 HP but it doesn't have any SD card input and he has all his USB ports were used so I couldn't try a photo on his computer.
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Vinny, My statement is about effective throughput which my research indicates is NOT only about CPU clock speed but rather memory and bus speed also.
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Peter, I do understand where you were coming from as I'm techy. If someone has a new computer (AMD threadripper came out just last year and needs new hardware to run) they should be running close to the latest and greatest speeds (memory and CPU) and bus, even if off the shelf. I can appreciate the speed increase you have seen. My computer being older is running slowish DDR3 memory on a SATA 2 bus. Most newer computers should be running DDR4 and if clocked correctly the memory could be running faser as well. I will assume when people go out and buy a computer with an I7 processor they are getting close to state of the art but there aren't any guarantees, my son bought a off the self gaming HP and he claims all of his games are running far better and at faster frame rates then with his old computer. More cores, faster bus, faster memory all mean something assuming the program runs properly, if it doesn't then it could be a waste of money for both the computer and program. I will say that if I spent the money on a monster CPU and associated hardware, great memory and everything else associated with a top notch computer and the program crashes .... I wouldn't be happy.
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Vinny, my old i7 is running DDR3 as well. That's the problem with the way hardware has been evolving. Back in the old days (think Pentium era) you could buy a good MB and cheap CPU/RAM to get going, then update the system CPU and RAM piecemeal over a couple of years.
Sockets/chipset evolution has shortened that upgrade window.
I wonder if anyone from On1 is monitoring these discussions. It would be great to get one of their designers who really understands how the software is architected to explain exactly how the SW uses the HW with an end toward helping us select and upgrade our systems intelligently.
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It seems to me that ON1 is targeting people with the latest and greatest hardware. We all love to hate Adobe and their subscription plan, but their software works. I was hoping to get off the plan, but ON1 doesn’t get there. I have a lot of performance issues with my laptop and ON1. However, I can run Adobe Bridge, Photoshop, Indesign and Microsoft word all at the same time and they perform quickly. ON 1 should be a piece of cake, but it is slow and really lags. I don’t get it.
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Leroy, I did an I5 because I couldn't justify the cost of an I7 and it has served me well. I know an 8 YO computer might as well be 100 years old depending on what we use it for. I did use this computer for RAW 2018 and it was OK but with 2019 it has issues but as I have said I have seen people with new computers complain as well. I'm not a 100% computer geek but understand them enough to question things - I have Windows 10 Pro booting up in under a minute on this thing, an older Microsoft office pops onto the screen when clicked and basically this thing runs pretty awesome except for RAW. I have DXO and Affinity and they run fine too. It is becoming time to upgrade, was waiting for the AMD Ryzen/Intel I7 war to settle a bit (next year?) and then build a system but as luck happens life gets in the way! So I will persevere with this for a while yet.
Burt, I do believe there comes a time to upgrade and if a computer doesn't do it what you need it to do then the time has come! I'm not 100% convinced based on what I've read from other people that a new computer will solve my problem ... but it may... Then again buying a different program for $150 is cheaper then buying a computer for $1500!0
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