"Import" files is useless and a waste of time
I've commented about this previously but it's still the same in v2019.5
As an example, I want to import my raw files from my card reader into a new sub-folder.
I plug in my card reader and select the files I wish to import, which were taken on two different days.
Under "Destination" I select (for example) Sony RX100\2019 as my destination folder. I organise my files by Year, followed by a sub-folder with the actual capture date, organised by YYYY-MM-DD
So within the 2019 folder I wish to create a new sub-folder for the date of the images,
So I select "Backup None"
& "Organise Day (YYYY/MM/DD)"
If I were using Lightroom, this would create a new sub-folder within my 2019 folder, with my image files created on that date.
Instead On1 creates a new 2019 folder, within the existing 2019 folder,
with sub folders 05
24
06 and
04
Sub folder 24 contains images created on 24th May, and Sub folder 04 contains images taken on 4th June
What I want is a sub folder called 2019-05-24 and another sub folder called 2019-06-04, both as sub folders within 2019, each of which contains my image files taken on that day.
If I were importing with Lightroom, these would be created automatically from the EXIF of the image files.
As it is with ON1, I have to manually create the sub folders, move my images into them and then delete the unwanted folders created by On1. This is really tedious and unecessary, and I've taken to copying my images using windows file manager, having created the new destination folders manually, and not bothering with importing through On1.
I keep coming back to the On1 import dialog in case I've missed something, but it just doesn't seem to work the way I want and expect it to.
Brian.
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I understand that On1 doesn't do the import the way you want it to, but by abandoning On1 and going to windows you're missing out on the features that it does have.
What I do is import to a folder that I call 'New pix buffer'. Doing that adds all of the automatic metadata that I need and gets them all together for culling and batch renaming. Once the photos are in that folder it's just a matter of selecting the various groups individually either by hand or by using the filters pane and letting On1 create the subfolders for each within the buffer. Then just drag the folders to wherever you want them to be.
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I don't see how doing what you suggest is going to help me.
I still have to create the folder which I'm going to import into, the same as I have to now.
Rather than call it 'New pix buffer' I might as well call it YYYY-MM-DD, Either way, I still have to create it myself, rather than have it generated automatically.
The metadata is not added by the program, it's part of the image file, so importing doesn't add anything different to the image file than is there simply by copying the image file with Windows. When I import the file with Windows, all the metadata is there, so I don't see how importing through On1 is going to add anything else.As I've already suggested, importing into Lightroom this way automatically creates the sub folder that I want.
All I would like is that On1 does the same thing.
What is the purpose of the "Organise Day (YYYY/MM/DD)" command in the Import dialog, when it creates empty sub folders?
If I want to add sub folders by date to my 2019 folder, how can I do that?
It doesn't seem possible with the current import arrangement and I don't see how On1 can create the sub folders I want.I still think this is a badly implemented feature in On1, and requires further attention.
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I use Windows 10, but I use a 3rd party, free app for downloading images from my memory stick (or from my camera via USB). It is not a new product, but it allows me to create subdirectories based on dates etc. It also allows me to add onto or change the raw image name as it is imported. The only thing I do not do is change any of the metadata as the software creates an imcompatible .xml file with ON1. But it serves me well and it is simple. I just have to put up with the occasional "purchase our paid for version" every so often.
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I had the same problem as Brian. I really don't understand the logic of ON1s import folder structure. I would have thought that, as Lightroom seems to be the software they want to replace, they at least implement the same (simple!) functionality when it comes to bringing the photos into the software.
I ended up writing a small program myself to import my photos from my memory card into my hard drive folder structure. It works just as I want it to. :)
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What you do is against logics.
When you use "Organise Day (YYYY/MM/DD)" you need to point import to the folder on top of 2019, or the drive itself, that works fine here.
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The problem is that is doesn't create a subfolder named "2019/YYYY MM DD", it creates subfolders named "2019/YYYY/MM/DD", i.e. three levels below the 2019 folder...
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That's where rename steps in, rename it to "date".
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And that changes the folder structure on disk?
I find my one-step approach much simpler. :)
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No it renames the folder you import to. When you import you do that to the folder you choose.
You import to one folder with whatever name and rename that.
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OK, so it still doesn't work as desired (i.e. the Lightroom way) then.
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I know experiences differ, but what I have found is that if you don't use the ON1 import, then lens corrections are not applied. I do have apply corrections automatically on and use the catalogue. ON1 then often doesn't even recognise the lens (canon L series) and I would have to read meta data from photo. This is why I now always use the ON1 import.
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Useful information, thanks!
Another argument in my current "should I return to Lightroom" internal debate. :)
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Thank you Edvard, it's reassuring to know that someone has the same problem.
I realise it's possible to use a third party program to do what I want, but my point is it should be possible to do this within On1. I'm not knowledgeable enough to be able to write my own import program, and it's quite straightforward to use Windows file manager to make the changes.
There seems to be a fundamental problem with commands in On1, where it treats the slash in YYYY/MM/DD as a carriage return and creates a new line, which really confuses the file system.As you say, On1 is seeking to be a replacement for Lightroom and as far as image processing is concerned it's fine. All I'm asking is that On1 can import files in the same way that Lightroom does. At one point I was still using Lightroom to import my files and On1 to develop them, but I have now deleted Lightroom and don't wish to reinstall it just for file import.
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Gerry,
I disagree with what you say about the lens corrections.
The files I've imported using Windows file manager still have the lens correction profile applied automatically.
What I do find (using either import method) is that you sometimes have to use the "Read Metadata from Photo" command, since sometimes the data seems incomplete. Maybe that's to do with importing via Windows and I hadn't considered that. The clue is that if you look at the EXIF under Metadata in Browse mode, the Capture Date is not recorded. I just checked one of these but the automatic lens correction is still applied. I too am using Canon, mostly "L" series lenses. If I have an image without a Capture Date, selecting "Read Metadata from Photo" restores any missing EXIF data.0 -
Brian,
As I said, experiences vary. It wasn't all images, but enough to be irritating. I did read the meta data when necessary, but I find it no bother just to use the import module. It could be better but it is workable. Btw, I am still on .2 after downgrading from .5.
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OK Gerry,
I'm not always having a problem with reading the Metadata, but if I do, "Read Metadata from Photo" seems to solve the problem. As I said, this is usually evidenced by the lack of a "Capture Date" in the EXIF, but even if this is incomplete, the auto lens correction (which I apply by default) still seems to be working.
I have had the odd occasion where the software seems to read the lens data but doesn't apply the correction. I can get around this by selecting the Lens correction "Auto" button a couple of times.I seem to be in the minority, but I've never had any problems with 2019.5, nor with 2019.2 before it, my only gripe is the way it handles the file import process.
I'm using Win7 with an AMD RX560 graphics card, and it's vital to keep video card drivers up to date. AMD released an update to their video drivers on 22nd May 2019.0 -
"There seems to be a fundamental problem with commands in On1, where it treats the slash in YYYY/MM/DD..."
It just dawned on my (duh) that the slash (/) in "YYYY/MM/DD" is in fact indicating folder structure in ON1's world, so the data between the slashes are in fact sub-folder names. In that respect, the feature works as "it should".
What we should have had as an extra feature in the import is therefore a "YYYY-MM-DD" option. That would have worked as we want, i.e. creating ONE subfolder instead of three nested ones.
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It just dawned on my (duh) that the slash (/) in "YYYY/MM/DD" is in fact indicating folder structure in ON1's world, so the data between the slashes are in fact sub-folder names. In that respect, the feature works as "it should".
The backslash is a Windows file separator, not exclusive to On1, but you are correct, it is working "as it should." The mistake is in the way the On1 "import" program is written.
"What we should have had as an extra feature in the import is therefore a "YYYY-MM-DD" option."
Sorry, I'm ahead of you there and have already tried using a hyphen (-) in place of the backslash (the way Lightroom generates the file listing) and the result is still the same - it generates a new line as if you'd pressed "Carriage Return" [Enter] when it encounters the "-"Windows (and Lightroom) seems happy to display the date as YYYY-MM-DD, but for some reason you cannot enter it that way.
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I want to import my raw files directly from my camera into a new sub-folder.
I plug in my camera and select the files I wish to import, which were taken on multiple different days.
Under “Destination” I select (for example) images\2019 as my destination folder.I want to automatically organise my files by Year, followed by a sub-folder with the actual capture date, like format: YYYY-MM-DD
Currently this is not possible within On1.
Please add this simple but very usefull feature!
Please leave your votes here if you would like to see this feature added to On1 as well:
https://www.on1.com/products/photo-raw/ideas/idea/import-dialog-folders-timestamp/
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I would like the capability to select multiple levels deep destination. I have no problem creating to folder structure in Windows, but cannot select.
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