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Illogical labelling of masking bug?

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    Think of the labels as describing what the mask will look like, i.e., what will be masked out rather than what will be affected by the mask. I had the same problem until I looked at them this way.

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    I agree it's a masking bug, not a revealing bug. That is until you park it on a layer rather than a filter and then it works exactly opposite.

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  • Brian Gibson

    Thanks chaps,
    Yes, You are right, it describes the action of the Mask.

    I was expecting it to refer to the active part, not the part that does nothing.
    It still seems a little illogical to me, but I'll just have to accept the way it is.

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  • Raymond Griffiths

    2019.5 works the opposite way round to 2019.2, difficult to say which of them is wrong but confusing after getting used to using it one way.

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  • Brian Gibson

    Maybe that's my problem, I'm used to it working, or at least being labelled, one way and now it works the opposite way.

    I thought it was different in 2019.5, but I chose not to keep 2019.2, so I could not make the comparison.

    Why did it get changed in 2019.5?

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    That change happened when you became able to copy filter masks to layers. As I said above, they work backwards to each other. To me, the bugs on the filters make sense, but on the Layers, they don't.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    Rick, I'm not seeing this on my Mac. I used a gradient in a Tone Enhancer Effect, Local Adjustment, & I duplicated a Layer and put one in the layer's mask. All were set to Linear Top and they all masked out the top of the image leaving the bottom portion to be affected by changes. If this is different on your Windows system I would report it as a UI bug. Inconsistent behavior is no bueno.

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    Brian, This is what I see with a linear top bug on a filter. The icon shows the top black and it is blocking the reduced exposure from the filter.

     

    This is what I see when I drop the same Linear top bug on a layer. The top of the icon is still black, but in this case, it's the black side that is the side that's transparent.

     

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  • David Kick

    Rick -- unless I am missing something aren't they the same. The Black area of the mask is paint out. On the Effect the Tone Enhancer effect is painted out on the top half and on the layer the Image is painted out on the top half -- bug is labeled to tell you which side of the layer or effect is painted out. 

    So

    Linear Top = Top painted out

    Linear Bottom = Bottom painted out

    Linear Left = Left Side painted out

    Linear Right = Right Side pained out

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    That is exactly right Rick. Because you have only one layer and you have masked out the top half of it what you see is the empty canvas below it. Try duplicating the layer first then add the mask to the top layer.

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    What I'm saying is that on the Layers, the black side of the mask should show the image, while the white side should be transparent. That's how they work on the filters.

    David, if the black side is paint out, does that mean paint out the image or paint out the effect? I think it should be effect, but that's not what's happening.

    None of this really matters of course. You drop a bug, if it's not what you wanted, you fix it. We don't even need Top, Bottom, Left or Right since one bug will do all of those anyway.

    Just for fun here is another example. In the top photo, I masked the plane to increase the exposure of the plane. The effect is being applied to the plane. I then copied the exact same mask to the layer and now the effect is on the sky, not the plane.

     

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  • David Kick

    Rick -- On a layer it's because you are masking the image layer not an effect on the layer. Think of it this way - if you applied the mask to a layer and you had multiple effects applied to the layer how would On1 know what effect to apply it to. That's why when you apply the same mask to the layer it only impacts the image and not the effect.   And yes I agree totally just slap a masking bug on and rotate it to your hearts desire. At least the labels give you an Idea of the starting point.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    I second David's explanation. :)

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    Ack, you guys. I still disagree, but of course none of it really matters. Been a fun discussion though.  ;)

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  • Ralph Louzon

    Hi,

    I’ve always find this very confusing too, and I mix things all time.

    But, all this is useless... why not just drawing the mask with the mouse? Exactly like in LR. And we have the opportunity to rotate this gradient mask anyway. My opinion is that it is an unnecessary and confusing feature!

    And why these awkward two vignette masks (regular and strong), as we can fine tune the feather afterwards? And why different shortcuts for the masks in the effects tab and in the local adjustments tab?...

    My guess is all this stuff is some old ON1 versions legacy and it needs to be cleaned up.

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  • Brian Gibson

    Ralph Louzon said:

    And we have the opportunity to rotate this gradient mask anyway. My opinion is that it is an unnecessary and confusing feature!

    And why these awkward two vignette masks (regular and strong), as we can fine tune the feather afterwards? And why different shortcuts for the masks in the effects tab and in the local adjustments tab?...

    Yes. It would be simpler with just one command, especially if On1 could remember the "last used" settings.
    This would be true of many settings, for example I nearly always use the crop tool in the "Free" mode, and it's annoying to have to select it every time I use it. If the program remembered the "last used" setting it would be much more convenient.

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    Does the Freeform crop work differently than other settings? I use 2x3 all the time and On1 remembers that between sessions.

    On the other hand, I've complained many times that On1 won't remember my batch rename settings since 2019 was released which forces me to reconfigure that every time, but they say they can't find a problem.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    Ralph Louzon said:

    why not just drawing the mask with the mouse?

    ON1 does have that ability with the Masking Brush tool.

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  • Ralph Louzon

    @Brian
    I was not clear. I mean just one Gradient choice (instead of 4) and we choose the gradient direction (and size) dragging the mouse. Simple and efficient. That is the way LR handles it and it's perfect.

    @Rick
    I experiment also this frustration as I export pictures, having each time to enter my long edge pixel size... Annoying.

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    Ralph, can you not enter the pixel size and then save your Export settings that as a preset? I haven't had a chance to try it but I'm pretty sure that would work.

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  • Brian Gibson

    Does the Freeform crop work differently than other settings? I use 2x3 all the time and On1 remembers that between sessions.

    On the other hand, I've complained many times that On1 won't remember my batch rename settings since 2019 was released which forces me to reconfigure that every time, but they say they can't find a problem.

    My mistake.
    Crop DOES remember the last setting.

    I must be confusing it with another program.

    I don't use batch rename so I can't confirm that one.

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