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  • Brian Gibson

    Since Automatic Lens Correction is applied from the "preferences" section of the "Edit" dropdown, I would expect it to be a function of the "Edit" menu.
    I cannot find anywhere in the "manual" that says it is applied to anywhere other than in "Edit"
    The actual paragraph in the manual says: " The Lens Correction pane detects the lens used in a photo (from its metadata), and searches ON1 Photo’s internal lens database for an appropriate profile. If found, the profile will be applied automatically, reducing distortion, chromatic aberration and peripheral fall-off." It then says "NOTE: Lens profiles can only be applied to raw photos that are opened via Browse. If you use Photo RAW as a plug-in, lens profiles will not have any effect on your photo"
    Since the corrections require a fair amount of computer power, I would not expect them to be applied during browsing, and in most cases, the amount of correction is so small it's hardly going to affect browsing. Why do you need it to be applied during browsing?
    The whole idea of the Filmstrip or Compare modes is to select images for editing, when the Lens Correction is applied.
    If you don't edit, then no correction will be applied, which seems sensible to me.

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  • Paul Hoekstra

    Brian,  the details quoted in my original comment are from page 175 of the manual.

    I can go into edit and apply the lens corrections to each shot individually to solve this, however if the manual says the software does something I expect it to do just that.

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  • Brian Gibson

    You are obviously working to a different "manual" from the one I refer to.
    As I said, Lens correction requires a lot of computing power and it is unreasonable (and unnecessary) to expect it to be applied just when browsing. If it were, browsing would take a long time.

    Your expectations are obviously different to mine.

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  • Terry Loewenberg

    Following.... since I have found the Lens Correction module deficient from day one (ON1 PR 2018) and don't see any improvement in the updates I've purchased since (every year incl 2022). Often, even though a supported lens is identified in the metadata, the LC modules fails to see it. Worse than that, I can't even select the lens profile because the entire section is greyed out. My only available work around is to load an image where the program successfully identifies the lens and use the profile to create a style then save it. 

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    What type of files are you working with? Lens correction is not available for pixel images like jpg, tif, psd, etc since it works on the raw data during the demoniac process.

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  • Terry Loewenberg

    Raw files.... straight out of camera

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    Which camera? You answered without saying anything. 😉

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    You should be addressing this with tech support Terry and send the samples of files that it won't identify supported lenses for. I have this problem with older images but not with new files I add to my library.

    How to submit a problem to ON1 Tech Support - A Step-by-step Guide

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  • Terry Loewenberg

    Okay, the cameras are all Canons: 5d4, 7d2, sometimes G1x iii, G3x, & G16. It's hit or miss with all.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    Are the misses from files you've had in your library for a while or does it happen with new photos as well? If it is with the older files there isn't anything you can do except manually apply the correct profile. As I said above, I see this too but only with old files I've had for years. Somehow the program looses track of them.

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  • Terry Loewenberg

    It's a bit of a crap shoot, to be honest. When I load an image into PR, Lens Correction is the first thing I check in the Edit area. I'd guess that 80% of the time, it's loaded the correct profile. But, that other 20% will not but I can scan the list of available profiles and select what I need. But... of that 20%, more than half leave me hanging because the program has the profile drop downs greyed out. If I haven't saved a style for the lens, I have no choice but to fiddle with the manual sliders (something I really don't care for). I don't catalog image folders within PR. I have a folder and associative naming system that has served me well so I've not the need to catalog. One of the things that I didn't care for in Lightroom was the mandatory "Import" requirement. I almost always drag a folder from a SD or CF card to the desktop, rename it, then load into PR for culling and editing. When finished, I drag the folder into the Picture folder. In PR, I tag each image with year, subject matter, etc to facilitate searching. Rarely, do I ever go back very far and load an old image. 

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    I'd guess that 80% of the time, it's loaded the correct profile.…… This is what I see too.

    If I haven't saved a style for the lens… The new Advanced Search makes it easy to search for cameras or lenses. You could search for the same lens then save a Style from one of the photos where it was identified properly.

    That's all I've got. You'll have to work with support to find an answer for why this is happening.

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  • Terry Loewenberg

    Thanks, Brian. So, the advanced search function works within the Lens Correction module? Without looking into it, I didn’t realize its capability extended beyond file searching. I’ll check it out. My work around has been to save the auto profile (when I remember) every time I load an image from a not previously used lens. Merry Christmas!

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    No, it does not work within the Lens Correction module. It only works in the Browser but it has access to all the metadata. As long as the lens name is in the file and you enter it correctly in the search parameters it should be able to find the photos taken with that lens.

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  • Terry Loewenberg

    Okay.... got it. Thanks again. 

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  • Terry Loewenberg

    So.... I tried using the "Advanced Search" function.... to look for images taken in the current folder with the camera designated. Not only didn't it work, but I didn't even get see a button to click on to initiate the search. Not only that, I don't see why this should be necessary. It either works as it should or it doesn't. Well ..... it doesn't. 

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    You don't need a button to initiate because it starts a new search every time you click or type something. If you want to post a screenshot of your search settings, we might be able to see what's going on.

    This should really have been a new thread instead of hijacking the Lens correction thread.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    There is no button to initiate the search. It is always live and updates as you make changes to the search parameters. And it does work.

    What do you mean by "camera designated"? What search settings did you set for this?

    Show us screenshots showing the Advanced Search panel with the settings you used to do the search. Also show us the Camera Metadata for one of the images you expect the search to find.

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  • Terry Loewenberg

    I set Search Criteria as "Match Any of the following rules. Then Camera Model from the first drop down, contains, and in the box "G1 X Mark III. Another line, with just "G1" in the box, and a third line with "G3 X" in the box. Then I closed the "Advanced Search" box by selecting the red X in the upper right corner. All the images I got this morning during a snow storm were with those 2 cameras. I went back into the edit module and went straight to Lens Profile. No difference. Profile not identified and no option to anything except Manual or select a saved Style. So... I went back in and did the same "search" again. Went back into the Edit module, to the Profile section, and even though, it still didn't recognize either camera, this time I was able to select a camera profile by selecting from the Make and Lens drop downs. I saved profiles for both camera so I don't have to depend on ON1 to recognize the camera or lens from the meta data. 

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  • Terry Loewenberg

    To Rick Sammartino..... how is a continuation of the thread I'm participating in "hijacking?" I was following up on a suggestion from Brian Lawson.... 🙄

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    PICTURES PLEASE

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    When you close the Advanced Search panel you turn off the search and return to where you were in the Browser before starting the search.

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  • Terry Loewenberg

    Brian ...  Via this thread, I'm limited to 2meg. So, I copied a couple of the CR2 files and one jpeg (export) to onedrive.com

    Here's a share link:

    https://1drv.ms/u/s!AmRxA7wIn2mXgtU9vtzY1BwtsMfmPA?e=O2zWuD

     

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    All I asked for was a screenshot of your Advanced Search panel and another showing the Camera Metadata shown by the program.

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  • Terry Loewenberg

    Oh, okay.... sorry.....

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    Your search as described is working for me. It finds all 3 photos just as it should.

     

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  • Terry Loewenberg

    Okay.... sigh.... I'll admit to the possibility of a cockpit error here. I'll try another folder. I'm assuming your result was instantaneous? or close to it?

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    It does take a second to update after I make a change to the search parameters.

    To double-check things I moved your folder of photos inside my Pictures folder which is cataloged. Here's the results when I search the entire catalog, not just the folder with your photos. I've rearranged things to group your photos together.

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  • Terry Loewenberg

    I just went to another couple random folders where previous editing had taken place and Photo Raw correctly identified the lens and loaded the corresponding profile. So.... it appears to be working. Both were raw files that I hadn't processed. So, thank you. Any thoughts on why occasionally (about 20%), it gives me nothing? 

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    OK, back to the program being able to identify the lens. 😉 No, I see this happen occasionally too. When it happens for me it is always with older files, usually ones I've edited in the past but the program has lost the edits.

    I haven't looked closely at it but I found one time that by deleting the photo from the program then adding it back in as if it was the first time the program had seen it (I made a copy of just the RAW file to another location on my drive outside of where PR is looking for things) it was able to identify the lens correctly. This makes me think it has something to do with what's in the .on1 file or in the program's database for tracking that photos and its data that is becoming corrupt.

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