ON1 2020 Print module not where it needs to be
Now that I have purchased ON1 Photo Raw 2020, some observations. First and most important to me as I print my images professionally and waiting for a decent print module, I'm sorely disappointed. ON1 boasts a robust print ability but in reality, it is basic at best.
For example, the preset print sizes are the old basic 35mm such as 8X10, 5X7,4X5 etc. No 4X6 which is now a standard. It does offer a custom option and there lies the issue.
Let's say you want to print an image to a 17X22" print. You would think that choosing Custom, setting the size after setting the print driver and choosing the "fill" option would fill the entire 17X22 palette. Nope, the image retains the the aspect ration and the print forces a border. It does not :"fill" the paper size or allow you the option to move the image around to frame it the way you might want. Yest, there is a work-around, you can choose the page size larger than the actual paper size, but you still can't move the image around the palette to frame it.
There is no option to select boarder sized based on paper size, all really basic but important to printers. An example is I want to print an 18X6.5" image using a 13X19" paper. No can do in On1 Photo Raw 2020, or at least any way I can find to do it. Or let's say I want to print a black photo border, or stroke, and set a size, again, no can do.
While this is better than nothing which is what ON1 2018 and 2019 offered, it is light years behind Lightroom from a printing standpoint.
I was hoping for so much more as it's not hard to see what the Lightroom print module can do and shouldn't be too hard to meet and exceed. Printing is still an important part of a professional' work ability to deliver. While I've only played with this a short time, it sure isn't a print capability anywhere near where it can or needs to be..
Just my experience to date.
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Your experience mirrors mine in the 2020 Print Module. I am attempting to print actual A4 size, 29.7 x 21cm which is easy in all Adobe + Affinity programmes to an Epson X-960 printer
Fortunately the 'Preview Print' capability in the printer software shows me what the final print size will be and saves me a fortune. Every possible combinationof Custom Size I have tried but to no avail.
I shall contact Tech Support of course. Pity, everything else is working quite well in 2020 which is a vast improvement in 2019 about 8 months ago.
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I, too, am frustrated by the absence of standard metric paper sizes A4, A5 and A6, and ON1 PhotoRaw 2020's inability to think in metric measurements. The Printer module happily accepts A4 as a page size, but requires resolution to be specified in Pixels Per Inch.
Choosing a Print Area Custom Size of 29.7 x 21 cm (i.e. standard A4 dimensions), Fitting = Fit and Rotate to Fit=No is possible, but the image displayed in the Print Module, while with the correct X:Y ratio, is about 21 x 14.7 cm. It is as though the X and Y axes have been confused at some stage of the preparation of the image.
I had been moving towards using ON1 PhotoRaw 2020 as my only image processing program, but these printing problems prevent this.
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I've spent a month and a lot of paper and ink trying to print 17x22 on my Epson 5000...and many emails with ON1 Support and a phone chat with an Epson tech. Basically as I've posted earlier printing from ON1 to 11x14 is ok but sizing up to 17x22 (sheet and roll) leads to streaking in the print the last part of the print. I've tried every permutation imaginable....yes printing from Browse, internally exporting a TIFF or JPEG, etc. My conclusion is that ON1 print isn't usable as it doesn't flatten layers which can't be adequately to the P5000. Interestingly, the same 'flattening' problem occurred with TaoPrint 8! Export any ON1 image and open in PS and you'll see it isn't flattened. So...I've given up on the ON1 Print Module and will work-around editing in ON1 and printing from PS (folks say LR works AOK too). I'm still not sure soft-proofing in ON1 and printing from PS is a good idea. Any thoughts from the community>
Jim
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Well I'm now 6 expensive pages of paper down and so far I've managed to print two completely black pages, two pages where the image fell off the end and two where there is a tiny postage stamp of an image in the centre of an A3 page. In all cases, the on-screen preview showed exactly what I wanted - my image centred and filled, with a nice even border.
I'm not dumb, I've been printing images on PC for over a decade. I've gone back to the LR print module and got it done perfectly in seconds.
Obviously this print module is deeply flawed in many ways. However, I'd say the very first thing to fix is to get the preview showing A PREVIEW, not some imaginary image plucked from the air. That way we can predict when it's going to do something utterly different to what we asked, and avoid wasting good paper. Then move on to fixing the issues with print size, borders, alignment, and output.
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I've corresponded with Hudson Henry about my particular issue with ON1 print...streaking during the last 1/5th of a 17x22. I've concluded that despite ON1's recommendation to print from Browse not Edit the problem is because the image is not flattened. I export ON1 image as a TIFF and open in PS...wow, it needs to be flattened! I've been using this as a work-around using PS (I'm no longer using LR) or PrinTao to print images I want 17" wide (max for my Epson P5000) and to address Jeffery's situation above. Interestingly, in a recent ON1 video by Hudson (https://www.on1.com/videos/printing-tips-tricks/) he made it look easy to get a 20x20 out of his big 44" Epson. Wonder if he could get a 44x44" print? I'm going invest one more sheet of 17x22 being sure to follow all the steps he used in the video...we'll see. Hudson also told me earlier that he usually prints from LR. Anyway, I think the ON1 folks have some work to do on their new print module...
Jim
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Yeah, I'm not remotely interested in using my paper to test it out any further.
I'm also a bit tired of running LR and On1 in parallel just so I can fill in the gaps in On1. For me printing is the last major job I always have to resort to LR for and it's a big overhead just to print.
So currently looking for a good standalone windows printing app with a good level of control over size, alignment, borders and colour profiles and the ability to print multiple images on single pages. Any suggestions welcome.
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I know most of the folks posting here are talking about Epson printers but if you use a Canon camera Canon has a plug-in that works with their Digital Photo Professional software. I'm pretty sure it will work with any printer but you must have a canon camera to download Canon's Digital Photo Professional. The plug-in is called Print Studio Pro ( free on their website). It works in Lightroom as well. I really liked using it when I had Lightroom and just figured out that it works in Canon's Digital Photo Professional software.
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I really am not a fan of adding addtiional steps to my workflow, so I haven't jumped from On1 to Lightroom to print. Currently, if I have an image I'm going to print, I just do the post in Lightroom and don't bother with On1. The one time I did try editing in On1 and printing in LR, it just didn't transition well and the colors weren't right. I re-edited in LR and the print was correct. Hopefully On1 will take a close look at the LR print module and see what they need to do.
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