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Does On1 PR need a catalog?

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  • George Hall

    Well, you certainly managed to confuse me.  I thought ON1 used catalogs to perform DAM - that's how you can find every photo containing a certain keyword, for example.  In the Browse module, near the upper left, you will see the "Cataloged Folders" listing - these are the folders that have undergone the cataloging process.  You can have ON1 catalog a folder by dragging and dropping it onto the cataloged folders tab ("tab" may be the wrong word, perhaps "pane" is correct - but you will see it).  Once the cataloging has been completed, ON1 will find photos based on keywords no matter where you have them stored.  You can catalog many folders, or if you are like me and keep your photo collection located in 1 master folder with numerous subfolders, you can simply catalog the 1 master folder (it will include all the subfolders beneath it).  In so doing, ON1 will create small preview files to allow the images to load fast, and it will add all the keywords and other metadata to a database file that it uses for searching.  Searching is really filtering - so when you search by double-clicking on a keyword in the master keyword list, it uses the filter pane and enters your search term there.  

    So why do you say that ON1 doesn't use a catalog?   

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  • Robert Shea

    George, Thank you for responding.  

    My understanding is that even though On1 and L/R use the term Catalog, they do not have the same meaning in each application.  L/R’s catalog is a true data base file.  The L/R application cannot function without the data contained in that file.  With ON1, the catalog is not a data base file but an index.  The following is from the On1 user guide at the beginning of Section 2:

    Browse is an ideal environment for performing quick sorts and edits after a shoot: You can import, then view, your photos immediately without having to wait for a long cataloging or preview-creation process. You can rate, add keywords and flags, even remove photos, all from within Browse.

    But Browse also has a sophisticated indexing system built in, designed to let you get access to your favorite folders of images in a jiffy; just add a folder to the Cataloged Folder pane, and it will index your photos in the background wherever they reside, giving you increased search capabilities and even faster access to your most important photos.

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  • David Kick

    I really don't like the lightroom / Capture one etc version of catalogs. They are difficult to manage / require import of files etc...  I much prefer On1's approach but to each his own.

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  • Kevin Pinkerton

    David, I tend to agree as I have begun using Capture one. But I must say that I am blown away with the import dialog in Capture One. It has everything I could have ever hoped for in using key data fields to name the imported files. Using capture dates (in any format you can imagine, YYYY-MM-DD, YY-MM-DD, YYY-mmm-DD, whatever), and any other portion of the image or raw file name. You can tell that it is a very mature product as compared to ON1. You can even save the programs layout in as many different styles as you want, with two monitors even. I am using catalog instead of sessions and I am keeping the files external to the catalog. I wish that C1 had sidecar files, but at least it allows you to backup the edits when you exit C1 each time.

    I am a Windows 10 user, and I discovered (by accident), that when I am in Windows Explorer and select a subdirectory of images which are not already in C1's current catalog I am using, I can right click the folder in Explorer and add it to C1 from there instead of doing it in C1.

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  • David Kick

    Kevin,  C1 is waaay to pricey for my blood. On1 Does everything I need and for me and does it well.

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  • Kevin Pinkerton

    David, I paid $180 USD for a years worth of C1 with all updates.  My most recent ON1 purchase was $130 for 2020 and ON1 pro. I am sure I will be paying something similar to these number every year. The difference between ON1 and C1 is not pocket change, but I can spend that much on dinner out with my wife easy enough.

    However, ON1 currently does things that are not in C1, blending modes, cool filters such as glow. But C1 is a much better raw editor for me and the Wacom issues with the pressure sensitivity are not in C1, but better even than that, C1 has a brush and eraser Flow setting that is so good that I do not need pressure sensitivity anymore. That feature alone is worth a lot to me. We all know the drill from ON1... update, break something, enhance and update, break something, fix only some of the existing broken things, etc. 

    At this point, I am still on the ON1 train, but already I am only using it for the artistic touches at the end of the editing process.

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  • David Williams

    Kevin, Agree with you 100%. I followed your lead and am now a happy bunny. I've also ditched my Wacom.

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  • Robert Shea

     I wish that C1 had sidecar files, but at least it allows you to backup the edits when you exit C1 each time.

    Kevin, C1 does offer the option of using side car files.  Under the edit tab, choose preferences.  On the Image tab you will find the options for side car file.

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  • Kevin Pinkerton

    Thanks Robert. But I was hoping for the sidecars to do more than hold the metadata. In ON1, sidecars hold all of the edits done to the raw file (or can if turned on). In C1, you get something close to this if you use sessions instead of a catalog. Session does the subdirectory thing in your image folder and stores the edits somewhere there so when you back the image folder and it's subdirectories you get all of the edits. Or at least you can configure sessions that way. Catalogs in C1 works better for my workflow, but all of the edits are stored in a database file, pretty much like what ON1 does if you do not use sidecars. However, ON1 hides their database and you cannot find it or use it in anyway useful. At least C1 lets you get your hands on it for backups and it keeps a history of them if you do backups (I think). I used to be be a computer weenie during my career and I got burned a couple of times by not having backups. Now I am extremely religious about doing nightly backups to different drives with a round robin of backups. And it has paid off big time more than once. All that said, C1 is leaps and bounds more mature and more robust in pretty much every way I have seen. So much custom configurations and so much flexibility in exporting, gui layout, dual screens, toolbars, importing. And their webinars are awesome too along with their concise and short instruction videos. I know ON1 has some great instruction videos too.

     

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