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Fixing Keyword Issues

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  • Thomas Kus

    Still no keyword suggestions or custom groups in ON1 2021 - really disappointing. It's the one bit I still end up doing in Lightroom.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    I'm not sure what you mean by suggestions but when I start typing in a keyword I'm given a list of keywords that contain what I've typed so far.

    As for custom groups, again I don't know how those work in Lightroom but ON1 does allow for nested or hierarchical keywords.

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  • Glen Saberton

    Hi everyone,

    Comforted to see others have been through how to handle key wording in ON1 alongside embedded keywords in the image files.

    I've been round the houses too and am now stuck. I've got a grasp of catalgues rescanning and picking up keywords again etc.

    My recent thought is to somehow remove all the keywords from the DNG files and organise all the keywords inside ON1 and it's database. I don't mind re-arranging / nesting keywords again in On1. I have worries that the rescanning of the images (that have had all keywords removed) will remove keywords that are assigned through the ON1 data base and can't think how to test that without waiting for an x amount of time. Im a bit confused about this bit.

    If anyone here could help me figure out how to do that it would be amazing. Ot any other words of wisdom!

    It\s scaring me a little at scale but it would save me from endlessly having to remember (along with the complexity of) re-embedding keywords as I organise and evolve big projects.

    Hope someone can save me and let me actually start the joy of editing photographs again:) 

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    You can use a 3rd party program like Bridge to remove all the keywords then embed that removal into your image files. Photo RAW will see those changes. You should then be able to start reassigning them from the proram's still intact Keyword List.

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  • Glen Saberton

    Thanks for replying so quickly Brian. Will ON1 remember which keywords are assigned to which images if I remove all the embedded keywords? It's that bit that I worry about and i'm not sure how to test without waiting for a rescan of the files. If I manually read meta data from an image (with the keywords removed) I think its removing the keywords assigned from within On1 too.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    I believe it will but I do not know for certain.

    One way to test would be to create a test folder and catalog it. COPY several photos into it then go through the process with just those copies.

    "If I manually read meta data from an image…" Yes, that is exactly what happens. RAW files cannot store keyword type metadata, only image file types are able to do that. The User Guide states that the Read Metadata command, "Reads the embedded metadata from a raw file, overwriting any data that might be in the XMP sidecar files." so I have to assume that for image file types, if the keywords have already been embedded, they will get read again. If the keywords are not embedded and only in the .xmp files then they will be cleared from there.

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  • Glen Saberton

    Oh dear..Yeh I did a test and it does look like the ON1 data base and the keywords assigned inside ON1 get removed if i delete all the embedded keywords. I think thats why i reached out here to figure out a way to do it. 

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    I'll have to think about it and I may not get back to you today. I think I'm going to try, for the 3rd time, to get up to Cedar Breaks to shoot some flowers before they disappear.

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  • Glen Saberton

    No worries man.

    I did re read this thread and agree it would be lovely to have the option to stop ON1 rescanning the metadata.

    For people with embedded keywords it’s hard to see a future where we have to constantly re-embed them.

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  • Glen Saberton

    Hi again,

    After some early morning tests I have managed to remove all keywords from some DNG files without ON1 'forgetting' the keywords in its database.

    Though I am nervous about the idea I think I'll remove all embedded keywords from my images and organise everything inside ON1. If I ever want to migrate away from ON1 I guess I can re-embed the keywords.

     

    *reminder to self....Check how to back up ON1 settings! 

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