2021 new features
While looking through some of the material for 2021, I've noticed a few clues for things come.
It looks like Text will have its own layer now, that will make text much more useful than it currently is. Also, it looks like Color Fill is back! No more messing around with Local Adjustments.
Has anyone found any other clues?
You can find the full feature list here: https://www.on1.com/products/photo-raw/whats-new/0
Thanks Kahie, that helps but the text layer isn't mentioned there and I bet there are other little goodies to be found as well. It's like shaking the box before Christmas to try and guess what's inside!0
Did you see the announcement for tomorrow's webinar to introduce the new version?
Yes I did. Looking forward to it.0
I like what I see with the portrait AI, though I myself do not do portraits. I would love to see something similar for skies with an overall slider and then adjustable subcomponents for clouds, sun, moon, stars, etc... This would be very useful if done well.0
If some beta testers are here, can they tell me if Maps and grayscale profiles will be improved in 2021 update ? I can't find any information about that in the new features list.
As far as I know the program has not been distributed outside of the company yet. Did you watch yesterday's webinar? There is probably more information about it there than the online features list. I'm not seeing it posted online yet though.0
The video was very impressive. I had expected to see mostly only incremental improvements. As what with 360 and Portrait Ai, I suspected that almost all of the development budget had already been spent. Wow, ON1 has exceeded my expectations.
I agree with Rick about the text tool, that could be rather good.
But, I am worried that the Perfect Eraser might have been dropped from PR's pallet of cloning tools. (Hopefully I am wrong).
The new brush tool looks very similar to Lightroom's dust spot tool, and will be a good addition to the current cloning tools that are found in PR 2020.5.1.0
Thanks, I figured it would get there once they opened up for the day. 😎0
David Price, I'm pretty sure Dan says in the video that the Perfect Eraser will remain. They just added the new tool.0
I watched the webinar and thought it looked pretty good. Disappointed though that I asked 6 questions and got no indication that they were even seen.
The text layer wasn't mentioned at all, the new healing tool looks like a different type of clone tool to me. One thing I don't like is that all of the filter headers are the same color as the filter. It makes it hard to find things when they all look the same.0
The new healing tool will come in handy for landscapes where there is very detailed terrain that's hard to match with the clone stamp or gets too blurred out with the perfect eraser.0
Rick, Speaking of colors, the new spot healing brush looks great but I think the colors of the dots should be different for example the spot selected to be healed might be blue and the source used to cover could be red. Although it might be obvious when you look at a retouched photo it might make it easier to tell which one you need to grab to clean up a retouch.0
OK, thanks to, Rick, Brian, David, & Dylan, for all putting me right. No excuse, I just some how missed that part of the video.
Having all four of those clone tools should be pretty hard to beat. :-)
Also, David Kick's suggestion makes a lot of sense. Hope that they can add it in at this late stage. If not definitely one for the Photo Raw Project.0
David Price, I just did a quick review of the two videos that On1 has up of the live feed. The high quality video has the comment by Dan of keeping the Perfect Eraser is edited out so if that's the video you watched that would explain why you missed it. The longer video of the actual live Zoom feed has the comment at 24:19. Not sure why they would have dropped that comment in the edit.0
I think some portions in the high res video were re-done. You cannot see the issues they had in the live stream. Maybe the audio was in one of those parts...0
And here was I blaming my ear infection :-)
[ This is off thread. Seriously, I went to the GP's two weeks ago with ear ache, and they quoted the NICE Guidance at me. i.e. the importance of not over prescribing antibiotics. Less than a week later, I was completing a hundred plus mile drive home from a site visit, when my ear drum burst. So much for the NICE Guidance. But at least the antibiotics seem to be working :-) ]
Judging from the Video, PR 2021 is an ambitious update.
As far as I am aware, ON1 are still recruiting extra persons to test the Alpha version of PR 2021. Therefore they must be still a long way from asking people to test a Beta Version. So, I would expect that what they were demonstrating is a long way from what they will end up launching.
I have also been using Portrait Ai. I'm not a portrait person, and photography oportunities are tightly restricted by the current rules on Local Covid 19 Lockdowns. But I've tried it on some old raw files, and it is impressive.0
Looking at the videos there are now 4 tools in the retouching tool bar, so the new Spot Healing brush is an addition to the 3 in 2020, so Perfect Eraser is still there.
There is a bug in Portrait AI in that the new Spot Healing brush is what is activated by the Clone Stamp icon in tool bar. On1 have accepted there is a bug but not said what that is - should all 4 retouch tools be in Portrait AI or the wrong tool is called from Clone Stamp icon meaning that Spot Healing is not in the standalone Portrait AI? The documentation would suggest the latter.
So to get an advance look at the new Spot Healing brush try cloning in Portrait AI! However, feather option doesn't seem to have much of an effect so corrections can have a hard edge.
I bug reported this along with the documentation/actual operation mismatch and in this I did comment that it would make sense to make the source and destination pins look different. Other than acknowledging that there was a bug I did not get any other feedback.0
David Price, glad your ear is doing better, sounds painful!0
Hi David Price,
I got Luminar 4 when I was on the spree of getting a variety of similar software (during the lockdown) and it already has something very similar for portraits. Nice, but, I don't do portraits. Also, Luminar 4 is not a DAM, best used as a plugin to one.
I guess we can only hope bugs are fixed for 2021 and not just new ones introduced, even though they would be free :)0
There will be some bugs. The only types of software that don't have bugs, are the ones that are beginning to fall behind.
And if you want bugs, try Government Software.
This weekend they launched the new Covid 19 mobile phone apps for England. In development since March 2020, and today we hear on the BBC, that people who have received either positive or negative test results, are unable to enter them into the app. So, it looks as though the app won't be able to alert people who have been in close contact with a Covid positive person, or visa versa. Not a small bug, that one. :-)0
David, as a rule, I do not install government apps unless it is required for some purpose :)
We have Covid all around here as well and that is one of the reasons I have so much of bug-free time currently :)
Anyway, I know how mid to large-sized apps are generally done and there is a lot of effort, planning and systems that need to be put in place. It's not that LR does not have bugs or PS does not crash out at times, but, they do listen and roll out updates reasonably fast.
It's just fundamental issues with ON1 that are really surprising to me. For example, it cannot even display the correct number of the total image count in a catalog (ack'd by support). Not logging unsupported/corrupt files and looking at the filename extensions and not file headers to determine a file type. If you just view an image in edit mode and cancel out you get a prompt which implies a disconnect in the state from undo and perhaps other modules. If you click reset, the raw file is re-loaded. Some stuff that worked correctly in 2020.1 is broken since the 2020.5 release, etc.
The list is fairly long compared to just one new bug I have found in LR so far (which I can work-around, so, not a major issue for now). Personally, I think ON1 does need a good program manager and some experience in the QA to put some basic processes in place.
I will spend some more time on 2021 as and when it is released, let's hope...Plenty of people are looking to quit LR+PS :)0
Forgot to mention another basic flaw and the cause of all the SSD recommendations around. Consumer file systems are not meant for a million files in a folder...Which is what you will have in the ON1 cache if you throw 100k images at it. There are better ways of doing the same as in other similar applications.0
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