New Plugins
I read the new plugins have been launched and indeed my stand-alone copy of Portrait has updated and works well as a C1 plugin. But what about the other plugins - do they have to be purchased separately even if one is an ON1 PR 2021 owner? I ask as being an owner of the full product there is no evidence of the other plugins being available to Capture One.
Thanks
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Right now, yes. I believe the rest of the plug-ins will be available for PR 2021 owners with the next update.
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Thank you - thought that might be the case.
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Ummm... this is not what I understand. The plugins are not free for Photo Raw users, they are a standalone app that must be purchased even if you own Photo Raw. I expect Photo Raw itself should be updated as a C1 plugin with the next update.
Is there any documentation on this somewhere?
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I worded it poorly. I meant what you said Rick, that there would be plugins so PR users could call it from C1.
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This is Support's response - Unfortunately we will not be adding any Photo RAW 2021 plugin support for Capture One in any future updates so you would in fact need to purchase the Professional Plugins bundle if you were wanting to use any ON1 Plugins with Capture One.The inference is that all other plugins will remain and be updated (I have asked). Is this is just another ON1 money grab?0
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Well, I obviously totally misunderstood the situation. I'm sorry for the confusion.
It sucks they won't be providing them to current 2021 users. My guess is there could be licensing fees involved.
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Thanks for the update. Photo Raw not having Capture One support is news to me as I thought ALL of the apps including Photo Raw would have that. I've been telling people it will have and now I have to backtrack.
I've always understood that the Plugins were an additional purchase, but the graphic on this page implies differently. I've emailed Kahlie for clarification.
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This is the clarification I got. I most definitely am not impressed (do not like the word currently either):
Currently for Photo RAW 2021 the plugins will remain working in Photoshop and Lightroom and yes they will have the same functionality as the professional plugins.
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Kahlie sent me this link to an updated article. It does have this note near the bottom.
https://on1help.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360056932011-Capture-One-Support-with-ON1
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Includes Standalone Applications and Plugins
for Lightroom, Photoshop,
Affinity, and moreWhat means "more" ?
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You'll have to ask the company. All we know is what you see.
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Dariusz, that article is outdated.
It's the reason I asked for clarification and was sent a link to this new one.
https://on1help.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360056932011-Capture-One-Support-with-ON1
Edit: I see Kahlie has updated it now (3 hours ago)...
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I received the below from Support last night. Support have not exactly covered themselves in glory trying to answer this so a big thanks to the white knight, Kahlie. I am still unclear what the future holds but it might be that the plugins will not form part of PR 2022 (and onwards). Have asked the question as if so I really do believe that is a backward step. Of course it might just be that they are separate downloads that owners of PR have free access to."Capture One plug-in support is currently only available when using the plug-in versions of HDR, Effects, Portrait AI, and Resize. Regrettably, ON1 Photo RAW does not have Capture One plug-in support at this time. Moving forward, we will be offering separate standalone and plug-in versions of our apps.Since you are an owner of ON1 Photo RAW 2021, you can receive a free copy of the ON1 Professional Plugin Bundle (containing HDR, Effects, Portrait AI, and Resize) by using the coupon code below. Once you apply the coupon code to your order, no payment is necessary"0
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The coupon is an interesting development. Good to know.
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This is the latest from Support (Kahlie):From what I have heard, it sounds like our team is planning for our future plug-ins to need to be purchased separately from the ON1 Photo RAW product.
A money grab then and one where the functionality of PR will be reduced but the price probably won't.0 -
How does not adding the plug-ins to the product translate to "the functionality of PR will be reduced"? What exactly is being removed by not giving away something that cost money to develop?
Not to mention you have already received something no one else has—a free copy of the plugins you are complaining about having to purchase.
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Because the plugins are already in PR 2021 or had you not noticed.The only missing one is Capture One. I have 2021 and also a plugin in Lr, Ps and Affinity Photo. Indeed when I installed PR it told me it was setting up the plugins. So, if plugins have to be purchased separately then they cannot by definition be part of PR can they? Hence the functionality has to be removed.
And Brian please stop putting words in my mouth. I am not talking about now, I am talking about the future. And how do you know nobody else has received what I have, please expand? There is no reason why I should be treated differently.0 -
Photo raw has never had the ability to plug into Capture 1, so, no, it was not removed. I thought it would be added to Photo raw this year, but clearly, something has changed.
That ability was added to the individual apps in the professional bundle, that doesn't mean anything was taken away from Photo raw.
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I think you are ignoring the part where Kahlie says, "our future plug-ins to need to be purchased separately". No where does she say the current plug-ins are being removed. Perhaps we should ask.
The Capture One plug-in is missing because it was never a part of Photo RAW 2021. It is a new feature to be purchased by those who want it.
"[W]when I installed PR it told me it was setting up the plugins." And it did, it installed all the plug-ins that are included with the program.
"So, if plugins have to be purchased separately then they cannot by definition be part of PR can they? Hence the functionality has to be removed." Once again, no has said that the Photoshop & Lightroom plug-ins are going to be removed. You are jumping to conclusions. All that has been said is that FUTURE plug-ins will need to be purchased.
I'll ask Kahlie about the current plug-ins and post back.
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Rick, my post is being misread. For the future Kahlie says it is likely that the plugins (all if them) will be sold seperately and not be part of PR. That will mean they will be removed from PR thus reducing its current functionality, This is not just about C1.
My original question to Support was - For clarification, does that mean from PR 2022 on the plugin functionality will not be included but will be a separate product that has to be purchased irrespective of whether one owns PR or not? The response was: From what I have heard, it sounds like our team is planning for our future plug-ins to need to be purchased separately from the ON1 Photo RAW product.0 -
Brian see the above post. The question has been asked. OF course Kahlie could have given a confusing answer but as it stands the answer is pretty clear to me.
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I've written Kahlie and asked about the Adobe plug-ins being removed or not. I'll post back, if she doesn't, once I have an answer.
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I wish that I could post a direct quote about the future plans for ON1 products and plug-ins, but there hasn't been any official word yet on these future products. Here's a quote from the blog:
"ON1 Plugins have come full circle. Their popularity has grown recently, and our plans are to inject our new technologies and time-saving features into plugins once again. Some plugins today solve more complex tasks efficiently (culling, for example), can produce better results than their host application (noise, portrait retouching), or complement existing workflows (secret sauce, effects, sky replacement). As we state on our plugins page, “Every photographer wants the best in class editing software for their workflow. ON1 plugins work with YOUR specific software of choice at a level of integration no other plugin does.” Deeper integrations will include keeping photos re-editable, working with multiple photos between the plugin and host app, and more."
Like I said in a previous support request, from what I have heard, it sounds like we will start offering future plug-ins separately from the standalone products. I don't have any further information at this time.
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Here is an update:
In the future, we will give Photo RAW owners options to get plugin support in future versions. According to a recent survey, 85% of ON1 Photo RAW users do not use the plugins at all. We are considering offering different versions of ON1 Photo RAW, with and without plugin support.
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Thanks Kahlie, that's helpful.
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Which proves my point. Thank you.
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Having commented previously on a different thread, I was under the impression that the update today would be the one I have been awaiting since updating to 2021 back in late October. so you can imagine my disappointment and frustration when there was no mention of, or update for the C1 plug ins to Photo RAW 2021
Apparent confusion seems to be the key here, with comments from both Rick and Brian. I am now happy that having received the coupon from Kahlie, a quick installation leaves me optimistic that they will work just as I was hoping (apart from HDR at the moment, I will need to check that out again).
One of the main reasons I first purchased On1 back in 2018 was what I considered to be a smaller, yet focused company than certain competitors, being a retired company owner I appreciate that companies have to make money and sometimes need to change tack. However, some of the words and comments used in just this thread would suggest that this issue has not been handled particularly well in my opinion.
Thanks to a prompt response from Kahlie, I am satisfied with the final outcome for me, however I do not think it should have taken me time and effort to get there, and I sincerely hope that this situation is resolved for other users and the issue is clarified.
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Following this thread for a while it has become very clear to me that there was a change in policy by on1 management. On1 photo raw 2021 as a plugin for capture one had been clearly promised and it was advertised on the old website. Like a magic erase tool - all of a sudden all the mention of this vanished from on1's website and the individual plugins for capture one have been pushed. This is clearly a money saving/making exercise. I do understand that companies have to make money, but they also have to deliver on their promises. And the promise was clearly that we will have on1 raw 2021 as a plugin for capture one. This is not the same as having to use 4 different plugins. So from where i am standing I still expect my free plugin integration of on1 photo raw into capture one as promised. I received a coupon for the plugins from Kahlie on 03 Feb 2021 and have downloaded them, but not installed them as I am waiting for on1 to deliver on their promise. (Very reminiscent of the skylum Luminar 4 saga). If anyone has an old screenhot of the old on1 website it might shine some light onto this.
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I do totally agree Martin, whilst 3 of the 4 plug ins seem to work fine, the HDR one does not seem to at the moment for me. I can only assume that integration for Photo Raw would be preferable I am sure and as you say, it is what was promised. I do feel somewhat annoyed at this, as I may well have decided not to update to 2021. The promised C1 plug in facility certainly swayed me into purchasing it. So, like you I do hope they fulfil the promises made at the time I purchased the update.
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