Advanced search: what am I doing wrong?
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I want to find images that are 1600 ISO and above. I thought by clicking the > _ (if you see what I mean) symbol, that would do it. But I am only seeing 1600 alone.
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You're searching only the currently selected folder. Set Filter Current Photos to Search Cataloged Folders. Note that you must be using Catalogs in order to search more than just the current folder.
(BTW the ≥ symbol is Option-GreaterThan 😉)
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I didn't know how to type the symbol, but when I hover over it, there is an explanation: "equal to or greater than". So that's what I thought I should be using.
I switched to catalogued folders and then selected the one I wanted to filter and with those settings I am still only getting the 1600 images and not those that have a higher ISO than that.
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I switched to catalogued folders and then selected the one I wanted to filter
Those are contradictory states. You can view either the search results or you can view the selected folder's contents. You cannot do both. Watch the Breadcrumbs field at the top of the screen that tells you what the Browser is displaying. After you do a search it says Search Results.
What I do is to keep a working Album named ~ (so it is always at the top of the list) to move my Search Results into. Then when I want to work on a particular image I Right-Cick it and choose the command Reveal in Folders. That takes you to the folder containing that image so you can work on it and see things like the new files that are exported with Send To or returned from the program you've sent it to—NoNoise AI in this case. After I've worked on an image I will delete it from the Album.
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I'm not sure the 'greater than' will work with ISO. ISO is essentially metadata which is text. For search to do greater than, it would need to know the metadata represents a number, convert it, and compare to every other field after converting.
It might be better to add all of your ISO values to the search yourself, select 1600, then add the next (3200?) below it and so on. You'll want to save that as a preset if you plan to do it often.
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Yes, it does. I've done the same thing and saved the search so I can find noisy images for testing with NoNoise. Notice the selected image was ISO 2000.
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Rick
Ah that might explain it. Not sure if there might not be some images with ISOs that are not in the list, but I will adopt your suggestion and save as a preset!
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Indeed, my camera has ISO 2000 and ISO 8000 among others. Any way these can be added manually?
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There is no need to add that data manually, it is recorded by the camera when the photo gets written to the SD card.
Are you even using Catalogs? You are in the Browse panel which implies you are looking at places which have not been cataloged. What do you see when you click on the Filter Current Photos drop-down menu?
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Brian
OK I am now in Catalogued Folders and see the other ISOs from my camera. However, I only want to look at images in one particular folder. I can't do that?
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I selected my Guatemala 2019 folder but it seems to be showing every single image that I have cataloged that matches the ISO criteria I had saved as a preset
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Of course you can. You kept saying that folder wasn't showing you anything with an ISO higher than 1600 so it must not contain any images with an ISO higher than 1600.
This is working for me. I'm currently working with a folder that has photos taken with ISO 100, 1600, & 2000 and Filter Current Photos is showing me all those above 1599.
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Ray, that is because you have told it to Search Cataloged Folders. Notice the plural, that means all of them. You should be able to select an individual catalog to be searched from that same menu, you may have to scroll down to see them.
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I think I may have finally got there! I had it set to "Search catalogued folders" rather than "Filter current photos"!
However, if I set ISO to 1600 with the >_ symbol, it only shows 1600 and not those higher than that.
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Does that folder actually have any photos with an ISO higher than 1600? If it does something isn't working right on your system and you may have to talk to support. I've tested this on my system and everything is working correctly here.
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I've just been playing with Advanced search and ISO and testing =, > and <. I don't know what it's doing, but it's not giving correct results.
If I check individually for ISO 1600 and 3200, I have collectively 1582 photos, but if I search for 1600 and greater I only get 1463.
What's worse, if I select 3200 and less I get 235 when it should find every photo, all 62680 of them.
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Are you clicking on the circled symbol that only applices to the star ratings. Doesn't apply the criteria below.See page 45 of the manual.
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Thanks for that Doug, that is what I had been using.
However, for me, a search for ISO 1600 returns everything with an ISO above 1599 which implies the search is always ≥.
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The only way I see to get proper results is to add each ISO needed to the list.
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I'm gonna leave this right here then I'm out until I can do more testing
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I agree with Rick, since you can't specify anywhere a condition in the advanced search. The search is always and = condition. When you select Match Any Criteria you are applying and OR between each of the criteria you have built below. Match all applies AND between each criteria. Brian not sure how you are getting everything above 1600.
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My theory is that the condition is ≥. We need to ask support for a definitive answer.
Yes, Match Any Criteria is an OR condition but an OR with only 1 parameter is always true.
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OK this is interesting. A search for 1600 returns everything between 1600 and less than the next option 3200.
A search for 3200 returns 5000 ISO shots but less than 6400.
So, it looks like it is a combination of what both Rick and I have been saying. It is ≥ the value you set but < the next higher value. If you want to search for everything above 1600 you would have to add each of the conditions as Rick described with the Match Any Criteria option set to be inclusive.
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WOW that is interesting, I don't use cataloged folders so I can't verify your results so I will take your word for it good detective work. It will be interesting to see what support has to say.
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I was on the verge of discovering what Brian appears to have discovered (before going out to a very nice Peruvian restaurant). That setting >_ and 1600 gives results of 2000 say, but not 3200. I didn't get round to finding out if 2000 ISO images are revealed when one creates a preset with all the numbers possible.
I see to have uncovered something that is not quite right and worth pursuing with Support perhaps.
Hasta mañana,
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I think this is working as designed. If you think about it, without the ability to choose the comparison operator (<, ≤, =, ≠, ≥, > ) the program has to pick something. A default of = would never allow you to find anything except an exact match. It makes sense to me both as a user and a software developer that the way it works is how it should.
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Once I have On1 working again (see other post) I am going to create test folder containing one image shot at practically every ISO I use, I will then be able to get a better idea of how this advanced search is working and whether it needs to be fixed.
Some time today I expect, as I have nothing much else to do!
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OK, I created a test folder containing 21 images, each shot at a different ISO. When I selected advanced search to look for files that are ≤ than both 100 and 200 ISO, it came up with just 4 files, the highest ISO being 360. It gave the same result when I set the search to = even the lowest ISO in the folder is 125.
I don't think technically that's how it should be working. If you set it to only find ISO100 files, it should not be coming up with files that are 125 and 160; it should show a blank, right?
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You cannot set the search conditions Ray. The widget that lets you choose between =, ≤, and ≥ work only for the Star Ratings. They have no affect at all on the criteria you choose in the Advanced section of the panel. See Doug Worrell's comment and screenshot above.
Reread my theory on how it works and apply that to the Search Results you are seeing. Be sure you are not searching for any Star Ratings(!) as it will affect the results.
In your example, when you set the search for 200 ISO you got one @ 360. 200 (current search setting) ≤ 360 < 400 (the next setting) so you see everything between 200 and 399 inclusive.
If you set it to only find ISO100 files, it should not be coming up with files that are 125 and 160; it should show a blank, right? No, you cannot search for equality or only ISO = 100. When you set 100 you are searching for every thing between 100 and 199. Otherwise you would never be able to find the 125 and 160 ISO shots, those are not options you can search for.
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With no disrespect intended, I am confident in my answer. If you still have doubts ask tech support and let us know. They have access to the engineers for a definitive answer. 🙂
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You must think me very dim!
I see now that the ≥ sign is in the same box as the stars.
As Rick suggested, I created a preset for ISO1600 etc, and it correctly found the nine images in my test folder that matched those criteria. So I now have what I need.
Thanks for your patience.
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