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Develop Module J Key for B&W points

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    Is this happening on all photos or just this one? It is working correctly for me.

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  • Ray Miles

    My issue is that the J key is totally wrong for a right-handed person. I suggested to Support that this should also be the Option key is in Lightroom I believe.

    Fortunately, the latest version allows keys to be re-assigned, so I now use Z. Unfortunately, there is some erratic behaviour. When I first hit the key the blues and red flash on and off. I then hit the key again and they stay on even when the key is not held down. I have to hit it again to release. If I don't release, when I hit the forward key to advance to the next shot, the blue and red indicators are still there. (This is actually quite useful).

    I'd be interested if anyone else can replicate this behaviour. Support never got back to me on it.

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  • Russell Webb

    Brian, just got back indoors started computer and bingo it is working again, not sure what happened but I use a wireless keyboard and while out waiting and thinking as you do I thought maybe the keyboard batteries need changing so will hang fire just now and see what happens. Thanks, Russ.  

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    Ray,

    You can change it if you want. I'm right-handed and I use my right hand to operate my Wacom tablet and the left hand to operate the keyboard. I have no problem whatsoever pressing the J key with the pointer finger on my left hand. Expecting the company to change something as ingrained as that is an exercise in futility IMO.

    You can change the hotkey associated with the Show Clipping command (currently Control/Option-J) with the new Keyboard Shortcuts… command to something you find more comfortable. It's a toggle so you'll have to turn it off instead of just letting go of the key like we can with the J key.

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  • Russell Webb

    Brian, Changed batts on keyboard but that is not causing the problem.

    It seems if I just send as a TIFF from On1 to Topaz Denoise AI all works as should but if I use Topaz Denoise stand alone, send a RAW file save it as a DNG then try to set B&W points I get the problem, I asked the question on the Topaz forum tech side and basically the reply contact On1 support.

    As you can see I hope from the images blacks are just showing darker in the lower image Russ.

     

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    Which version of DeNoise are you running? I used the new 3.2.0 version to open the same .cr3 file with and without the new color correction feature and in both files I'm able to get true black points from the returned dngs.

    What do you see if you apply a Curves Effect and pull the white point all the way down to 0. That should turn your entire image pure black. Do you see that happening? Does the black point indicator show up then?

    I'm thinking either the program is misbehaving and needs to be reset or there is something going on with that particular image and I'd have to see it with your edits to figure out what.

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  • Russell Webb

    Brian, Again I thought I may have found the problem but!!!, I use my own Camera Profiles from the ColourChecker I made two and for some reason the Black point works fine with one but with the other not so then  I change the Camera profile to for example On1's Camera Neutral sometimes it works other times no go , I also for the images it will not work on are batched processed ones yet with an image done singerly it works. In testing with curves everything works, go back to Develop does not work even if I keep hold of the J key. As for Topaz I am using version 3.2.0 also. Thanks for your help, Russ.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    Without seeing your images, I'm going to jump out on a limb here and say there is nothing wrong with your system or the program installation. Because it is working at times on some images but not working on other images I have to think it has to do with the particular photo you are working on.

    You didn't say what happens if you try the Curves test I suggested. Another test is to double down on the Effect/Adjustment you are working with. Use one and set the black point as far as it will go then add a 2nd identical whatever and further reduce the blacks. If that doesn't get you to a pure black you'll have to talk to support about it.

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  • Russell Webb

    Thank you for ALL the help Brian, I did try your suggestion with curves.

    Quote:-  In testing with curves everything works, go back to Develop does not work even if I keep hold of the J key.

    Again Thankyou, Russ.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    So when you are in the Effects tab with the Curve applied and the image is totally black you are seeing the clipping indicator but going back to the Develop tab with that same Curve applied you no longer see the it? That makes absolutely no sense to me and if that is what is happening this definitely needs to go to support.

    You also said that adjustments are "just making the black areas of the image blacker". That implies that you haven't reached total black yet. Once it is 0,0,0 black it cannot get any blacker.

    Without seeing your file with its edits I can't say for sure but it sounds to me as though there just isn't enough black in the image to trigger the clipping warning. What does the histogram look like? Does it extend all the way to the left? If not, there are no true blacks and there won't be any clipping.

    If you'd like I'll be glad to take a look at one of your files. Zip it together with its .on1 sidecar and post it to a sharing site like Dropbox and post the link here for me.

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