Keeping RAW & ONPhoto Together
I created a new stamped layer after adding a new sky. When I open Browse the new ONPhoto file is at the end of the Browse rather than next to the RAW image. Is there a way to keep the RAW & ONPhoto file together in Browse?
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At the bottom of the Browser window there is a menu for sorting options. Choosing either File Name or Date Captured should do it.
Note that the Browser doesn't always sort new files into order right away. You may have to force a resort by choosing a different sorting option then resetting it, or you can move up to the parent folder then back down to the folder you're working in.
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In addition to Brian's comment about sorting, it is also important to get the file name of the ONPhoto file correct. This name is picked up from the name of the layer at the top of the stack when the stamped layer is created. This means that if the top layer is named Skies.jpg, and the layer below (your original photo), is named P12345.jpg. the ONPhoto file will be called Skies.onphoto. Even if you have the sort set as Brian suggested, your photos will still be separated in Browse.
Fortunately, it is easy to fix this. Before creating the stamped layer, rename the top layer to the same name as your original photo. Just double click on the layer name to do this. Your onphoto file will then have the same name as your original photo (just with a different extension), and will therefore appear together in Browse.
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Are you sure about that naming scheme Roger?
I just opened an image, duplicated it to a 2nd Layer, changed the name of the top layer to "sky", then returned to the Browser. The newly created .onphoto had the same name as the original image.
Next I selected 2 photos, the 2nd was the super-selected image, and opened them both in Layers. The super-selected photo was loaded 1st to the bottom of the stack. I renamed both layers "top" and "bottom" then clicked Done. The new .onphoto file had the super-selected image's original file name; the image which was loaded first.
You can look at the top of the screen for the name of the file that will be used for the .onphoto file's name. This screen shot is from test 2 before saving the new .onphoto file.
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Thanks for your suggestions.
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Hi Brian,
Yes, I tested this out before posting my suggestion. You do not appear to have created a stamped layer. That was part of Richard's process, and could explain the difference that you are finding.
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You're right, I'll try again. Thanks.
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I'm still not seeing it. Mac vs Windows maybe? This is the result of repeating test 2 with the addition of creating and renaming a new stamped layer.
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Even merging them after renaming the top layer gave me another _MG_0517 copy1.onphoto file. I'm just not seeing the behavior you describe. I could still be missing something.
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Out of curiosity I thought I would try this since I have never seen a .onphoto file have a different name from the original. Tested - added a new sky - created new stamped layer & returned to browse. The .onphoto file was the same name as the original raw file.
I'm running Windows
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I have just tried again, re-naming the top layer, and the new name was used in the cloned stamp layer and the OnPhoto file. This complies with my suggestion. There appears to be some inconsistency here, which I am afraid I cannot explain.
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Did your top Layer start on the bottom of the stack and get moved before merging?
How about a numbered, step-by-step explanation of what you are doing that leads to that name. I'm not arguing it doesn't happen, I just want to understand the program's logic behind it.
Thanks Roger.
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I may have the explanation. We have used different methods to create the layers. In my original tests, I selected a single photo in Browse and opened in edit. I then added a new layer and in the pop-up went to Extras/Extras2021/Backgounds/Skies and selected skies01.jpg. At this stage skies01 will be the name of the stamped layer and the onphoto file.This is the original problem that Richard has. However, if the skies01 layer is renamed to the name of the original photo, the stamped layer and onphoto file will use the new name, therefore resolving Richards's problem.
I apologise to all for not specifying the method of creating the layers.
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Roger that's exactly how I did my test
Take raw file _QOA970.CR2 into edit
Select Add Layer
Select Skies04.jpg
Skies04 added to top
Create a new stamped layer it is named Skies04 automatically
Return to Browse
Result - the .Onphoto file retained the same name as the original raw file _QOA970.onphoto. It did not get renamed.
Odd we are seeing different results
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"At this stage skies01 will be the name of the stamped layer and the onphoto file."
I'm still retaining the original file name when the .onphoto file is created. I cannot replicate this no matter how I arrange or name the layers. It always retains the name of the original RAW file I started with.
Very strange.
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Brian, David,
I am starting with a jpg, not a raw file. Maybe there is also some sorting or priority based on the file type...
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Even with jpeg I get the same results, the name of the original file is retained for the new .onphoto file. I've never seen the program work any other way.
Perhaps we should ask support about it?
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I would say so. Don't forget I'm not the only one, because if yours and David's results were happening for Richard, he would not have raised his post in the first place!!
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No, no, I absolutely believe it happens. I don't understand why which means I can't explain it or fix it when it gets asked again. The more you know about how the program works the better you're able to get it to do what you want, right? 😎
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Actually, Richard hasn't said what has happened in his case. His could still be just a display sorting issue.
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Sorry Brian. My last comment was mainly in jest, and I was not implying that you did not believe me. And I also stand corrected, potentially, by your last comment.
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👍
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I think we can put this down as a bug. I tried a few things this morning to explain the difference that we were seeing, but now I am getting the same behaviour that Brian and David reported. Namely, the onphoto file name is that of the original photo. I have tried various things, but I can no longer replicate what I saw yesterday when the onphoto file was named the same as the top of stack layer.
Maybe the changes I made while investigating have cleared something...
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Actually, I believe the onphoto is named after the super selected photo whether it's on top or not.
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That's what I observed in my testing. Which ever file gets loaded first is the one the .onphoto file gets named after. It does not matter if that layer gets moved around, it's just what gets opened first that matters.
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