On1 PR2022 pre-orders
Just saw this blog entry - any more details on availability and prices, especially upgrade prices for those with both PR 2021 and NoNoise AI?
https://on1help.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4407713344397-ON1-Photo-RAW-2022-Pre-Order
thanks
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My confusion is running a bit deeper. I have used On1 as my primary editor for several years now. I use the send to function to begin a round trip to affinity, or nik or Luminar. I currently have to save/export in affinity, nik, Luminar and then refresh in On1 to continue an edit. I have in each case generated a TIFF file and am no longer editing in RAW. I havent had to use any of the standalones and the plugins were From LR or PS TO On1 so they were of no use. The new version of On1 PR will apparently be able to use PS and LR Plugins which should give me access to existing plugins and possibly .8bf formats which would be a homerun for On1. They are not clear about that. Something is being removed having to do with accessing the modular pieces which would mean an adobe user couldnt send to the effects module as they could previously. I think I am going to be good with the changes, if they are what I think they are.
Steve
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Steve
That doesn't sound right to me. Photo Raw doesn't support any plugins FROM PS or LR (ie, calling PS/LR from inside of Photo Raw) and I haven't seen any info that they will be added.
(Correction: The above has been announced for a future release)
Photo Raw has until now supported plugins FOR PS and LR (ie, calling Photo Raw from inside of PS/LR). Photo Raw 2022 will no longer support that. 2022 will still have all of the functionality, but you won't be able to get to it from PS and LR. Instead, if you want that functionality as a plugin, you will need to buy the Professional Package instead of Photo raw. (Or both if you want the stand alone option as well)
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Rick, they've already announced the ability to use Adobe plug-ins directly from within Photo RAW. Now I wish I had kept some of mine when I trashed all my Adobe stuff because I couldn't run it anymore. 😞
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Yup, I just got a note from Kahlie withy an update on that.
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Go to the recent blogs and scroll down to:
ON1 Insider – A Sneak Peek at Using Photoshop Plugins in Photo RAW
This is somewhat vague. I dont kow if this means I can use many of my plugins for PS such as those that call nik or Affinity or some of the .8bf plugin. Either or all would be a welcome addition. Even moreso if I could use linear RAW in the transfer.
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I wonder if Send To: is going away. That would be problematic for many of us
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I suspect that only those plug-ins that provide additional functionality within Photoshop will be useful. It doesn't make any sense start in Photo RAW and use a plug-in that simply calls another program that you may not own.
Think about this: using Photo RAW to call Photoshop's plug-in to call Photo RAW's Resize (or any other module). Wheee! 😁
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Steven, why would it? Just because you won't need to Send To Adobe Photoshop any more doesn't mean the Send To… function won't be needed for other programs. Just a guess but I don't think we have to worry about that.
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Its just not clear to me how On1 is going to handle collaboration with other programs. I use On1 as my base. I often use on1 Send to to call Affinity or Nik or Luminar edit there and return to On1. I know On1 wants us to buy their add in and stand alone packages. This most recent email offer is not the first to push the standalones and plug ins. I just hope they are going to make it easier to call other extender programs and not harder. I havent figured out who they are trying to market the plugins to. Is it the Adobe user who needs/wants the functionality that On1 offers without leaving Adobe? or is it the core user , like me who depends on On1 and uses other programs for extensions of functionality? I'm not sure where they are coming from and what their long term vision is. It would be nice to hear from them on that
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I looks to me as though they want to offer a version for Photo RAW only users who do not need the plug-in functionality as well as offering plug-ins to make use of PR modules for users of other software who do not want to buy Photo RAW outright. Let's say an Affinity user who wants PR's Effects module, they can get just that.
The company has certainly introduced a whole bunch of confusion with this. Do you check the blog? That's where they announce things like this.
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Unfortunately, I do read the blog, watch their announcement videos and their emails. They are not good at announcing their intentions. This has happened often in past years and now again. Sends a chill through the community, frequently for no reason. I do trust the company and have invested a great deal of time and effort making them the center of my photographic life. I wish they could be clearer about their vision and intentions. It could only help.
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I paused the latest video on backups when Dan opened up the File menu - Send To options were still there, Photoshop and Lightroom shown, plus Send To Other Application. So looks as though nothing has changed there.
What is being added is the ability to call a plugin that has been written to be called from Photoshop via Filters menu item. From the sneak peek video this works in much the same way as it does in Photoshop - a new layer is created from current state of image and this is passed to plugin, when work in plugin is completed and Applied this new layer is updated with result of plugin processing. As a new On1 layer it looks as though one can use opacity, masking, blend modes etc to further control impact, then add additional filters etc to continue On1 processing.
I guess that by adding a new layer that a .onphoto file will be created so still end up with two files but one with all the On1 processing included. No sign of any Smart Object equivalent.
I am guessing that during installation that On1 will copy in any Photoshop plugins it finds in the standard Photoshop location, plus some way to add/update plugins after installation. In the sneak peek it shows filters from applications like Nik and Topaz. I have Affinity and Photoshop installed on my system but there is no Affinity plugin in the list of Photoshop filters, so I assume that no such thing exists so still have to use Send To to go from On1 to Affinity. (Lack of plugin kind of makes sense since less likely that someone with Photoshop would want to go from there into Affinity given the similarity of the applications.)
So from the sneak peeks it looks as though users of the full On1 package are not losing any existing options to integrated with other applications but are gaining a new way of accessing some which could be very useful in some cases - remove noise with built-in NoNoise then finish off with a touch of Sharpen AI.
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If one disregards the confusion that has been caused by those users who received the limited release pre-order email making use of forums like this and Facebook to ask for clarification on details from people who have not received the email, then I feel that On1 have been relatively clear about how things will develop, given that full plans are not yet announced.
- the idea of making parts of the full On1 package available as a separate standalone/plugin option has been around for several years. At one point I had a copy of On1 Effects 2018(?)
- they now seem to be developing new technologies in a way that allows them to be slotted into the full On1 Photo Raw application and in a cutdown standalone/plugin framework that can be tweaked to match the need of that technology. Last year it was Portrait Ai and this year NoNoise AI, plus some of the original modules have been made to work in this way.
- in my working life of supporting computer services in a university there were often discussions about whether it was better to go with an integrated solution for a range of services or go for a best of breed approach and handle the integration as a separate issue. Making On1 technologies available as both the full On1 application and as standalone/plugins is allowing this approach for photo processing.
- what was foreshadowed in the blog letter from President of On1 (https://www.on1.com/blog/on1-insider-a-letter-from-craig/) was being clearer on the delineation between the full product and the plugin range, but stressing this as being intended to allow users to chose the products which suit their workflow.
- the one thing that hasn't yet been made clear is that the full On1 package will no longer be usable as a plugin, (and possibly no as a standalone?). This might impact some users who have workflows that include both using the full product and as a Photoshop plugin. Hopefully this will be addressed in the full product and pricing announcement.
- from a technical perspective I wonder if there is an advantage in this split - the full package no longer has to include code to allow it to be run as a plugin, and the individual plugins can be made lean and mean which could improve their performance.
- all the sneak peeks have been around the full product and Craig's letter does mention On1 being foundation for entire workflow or being used to fill in gaps in existing workflow, so I don't see the full product, with all the technologies included as standard, going anywhere in the near future.
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Indeed, I received one of the confusing prerelease emails. I find your comments reassuring and make sense. My only point is that early partial reveals, often raise more questions and fears among those who have come to rely on a product. Either raise the curtain and show us your cards or keep them hidden until you are ready. Half measures are not helpful and cause doubts that don't have to be there. IMHO not a profitable marketing strategy.
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I was confused by the "early bird" mail as well. I was offered subscription at $89 pa, or the bundle of 2022 plus plugins for the equivalent of about $149.
Having taken another look I see (crossed out) that 2022 alone will be priced at about $85. I am assuming there'll be a discount for existing users and await further news.
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