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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    This may help. The Best Computer for Photo Editing

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  • Kelly Dazet

    Thank you, Brian!

    That is an excellent article.  The AMD Fire Pro V4900 was a very good graphics card in its day and no doubt has more than enough power to handle On1 Photo Raw 2021!  I'm not an engineer so I have no idea what really happened with recent updates, but no doubt the problem must have to to with the driver not being current.  Also AMD's Driver software has no way for the user to tell it to communicate with On1 to tell it to use the GPU or not!  I would guess that the inexpensive gaming cards that Dan mentions may not have Display Port outputs and if they do, they might not support two displays.  I guess I should have Purchased an Nvidia Quadro back when I chose the Fire Pro. Probably would still have updated drivers.

    I will still be doing homework on this problem to see if I can find other issues. I have to admit that there is some strange bug with the installer for these updates which make a bit suspicious.   Don't know if other's are have the same problem.  

    If all else fails I'll just use my Mac Book Pro or just buy a Mac Mini M1. Really fed up with Windows Desktop builds -- they are just budget black holes!  All my Apple devices just work and get updated regularly with no issues.  If my 1 year old Mac Book Pro can run On1 PR 2021,  my desktop which has more power and speed, should be more than able, other than lack of current drivers. 

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  • andrea pedrazzini

    I purchased Nvidia Quadro GPU to to get full color depth (10bit per channel) which is supported by my BenQ monitor but it seems that PR 2020 can not support.

    Is it correct? Can PR2021 or PR2022 manage 10bit color depth?

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    At this time no, Photo RAW does not support the 10-bit channel offered by some graphics cards. Apparently there are plans to add it at some future date. https://on1help.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360031775372-8-bit-color

    There is a request on the ON1 Photo RAW Project page to add it that you can vote for. The more people that want it the more likely it is that it will get added. https://www.on1.com/products/photo-raw/ideas/idea/managing-10-bit-per-channel-image/

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  • Kelly Dazet

    Hi Andrea,

    I'm not sure if On1 tech support monitors these community forums.  You may remember I asked that question 2-3 years ago and was told that it was something they might consider in the future.  Don't know if PR 2021 supports wide color gamut 10 bit ch color.

    One of my two Asus monitors is the PA-249Q which is wide color gamut (10 bit ch) capable.  And is the reason I purchased the Fire Pro V4900.  As it turns out, I could have saved my money since it is no longer supported by AMD (and therefore not supported by On1). I have the feeling that unless you purchase the latest versions of these pro graphics cards ( which can cost thousands of dollars) you may find  drivers won't be compatible with current software.  At least that has been my experience. 

    Might be worth looking into whether Lightroom Classic and PS or other editing software support 10 bit ch color.  Not sure that they do. Which begs the question -- why even bother with all the wide color gamut gear?  And, why bother with MS Windows for photo editing?  Well my reason was that I've enjoyed building my own PCs over the years. And upgradable!  Not really.  The hardware becomes obsolete so fast that its just a waste of money and time!  But I suppose that is just a fact of life with technology!  

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    No, technical support does not monitor these forums. They are monitored for content but the support folks do not respond here.

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  • andrea pedrazzini

    Brian,

    looking at the links provided, it is clear that the 10 bit per channel functionality is important for some Customers but it is not sufficient for the ON1 Company. They canceled this project and, frankly, I don't think they will spend any more time on it.

    It's a shame because professional photo editing software should allow you to take full advantage of the features of the most sophisticated and expensive hardware (monitors, graphics cards) purchased specifically for professional results. Unfortunately, one of the limitations of PR is that it does not handle posterization problems very well, particularly in backlighting. Surely the ability to handle higher bit depth would help.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    The problem is that OpenGL does not support it and OpenGL is what the program uses. Switching from OpenGL to something else means having to support 2 different graphics systems in the code. Apple does not support Microsoft's DirectX and Microsoft does not support Apple's Metal.

    The link I provided quoted support saying that the company is interested in doing this but they don't know when. Your suggestion in the Project has not been declined or canceled. If the decision had been made to no longer consider this your suggestion would be flagged appropriately.

    ON1 is a small company and has to balance the needs of all their users. Not enough have expressed support for 10-bit color yet. Expecting the company to make a major investment wanted by a clear minority of their users isn't realistic IMO.

    BTW, I did vote for your suggestion. FWIW

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  • Kelly Dazet

    Thank you Brian for your input.  I totally understand the reasoning why On1 does not support 10 bit ch. color.

    I suspect On1 Photo Raw is not alone.  I don't think LR CC supports it either (don't  know that as a fact) and I wonder about other photo editing software.  Perhaps Photoshop does support 10 bit ch. color?  Consequently, I don't believe for most non-professional photographers it is worth spending money on full color gamut hardware when the software most of us use does not.  And as far as I can tell, many pros do not use such hardware.  I might be wrong of course.  

    For those that are interested in gear that supports 10 bit color ch. and wide color gamut, Generally it is the "pro" level graphics cards that support it.  When purchasing a "pro" graphics card check with the manufacturer to see if the card is current on not listed as "Legacy". is it is a legacy graphics card, (which are typically much cheaper) you may not be supported with current drivers and you may run into the same problems I have with the software not functioning or crashing.  Unless specs have changed since I researched these graphics cards, HDMI does not support 10 bit ch. color, Only Display Port!

     

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  • AUZI PIERRE

    J'ai fait une bêtise 1 fois en prenant AMD.

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  • Kelly Dazet

    Thank you Auzi Pierre!

    Indeed, I made a big AMD mistake!  Even though my great grandfather was French, I don't speak one word. Had to use Google Translate. :-) 

    BTW, I looked at my preferences for both LR and PR and both have "use GPU" greyed out. Adobe says I have to have a Passmark GPU Score of more that 2000: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

    Prices for GPUs with scores over 2000 are just crazy.  My MacBook Pro with onboard graphics does not have "use GPU" greyed out and works just fine with both programs. 

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  • andrea pedrazzini

    Ciao Kelly, please note  that photoshop and also USB type C support 10bit per channel feature.

    Unfortunately the editing software is not sufficient since you need also a monitor and the graphic chard tailored to support this feature. 
    In the following link you can see how to set it (it refer to the Eizo monitor but you can select other monitor from the menu).

    https://www.eizoglobal.com/support/compatibility/gpu/photoshopcc2017_18-nvidia-amd/

     

     

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  • Kelly Dazet

    Ciao Andrea,

    Thank you!  I'll give it a try. Both my FirePro V4900 and Asus ProArt 249Q are 10 bit per channel ready!  But not Lightroom and Photo Raw ready! Well see what happens with Photoshop! 

    Are you in Italy?  We normally vacation in Sudtirol, northern Italy every October (Kaltern am See) -- unfortunately that ended with the pandemic!

    If you are an F1 fan you know it's Monza this weekend!

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  • andrea pedrazzini

    Hi Kelly, 

    Sudtirol and all Dolomiti area is amazing and now well organized to proper accomodate turism. Unfortunately Ticket price to see F1 in Monza has been doubled…it is a no sense, better to watch it on television, pratically you seat in the car cockipt with Hamilton and Verstappen (at no risk in case of accident…)

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