Search does nothing.
That is correct. Entering any keyword, I am using "sunrise" for this example, insuring the advanced search has select all photos in a specific external hard drive, selecting "all time", specifically choosing the keyword "sunrise", pressing the return key (I assume that means execute the search), and......nothing.
Note that while I am fastidious about keywording my images I do not catalog my photos because doing so slows my computer to a crawl. On a retina iMac, quad core i5 processor with 32Gigs of ram, and 1TB SSD internal HD. Is cataloging absolutely necessary to conduct a search?
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Without Cataloging, your search is only within the current folder. If you want to search elsewhere, you have to catalog your photos.
If you don't have a lot of room for the catalog, you can select to not create previews.
Photo Raw user guide page 20...
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Without any Catalogs searches are limited to just the contents of the folder you are currently viewing. You can't even search the current folder's sub-folders. There is no need to press the Enter or Return keys, the searching is done live as you type.
Having a catalog should not impact the speed of you system once the catalog has been built. While they are being built, yes, the cataloging process will grab as much RAM and CPU as it can until it finishes.
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Thank you both (Brian and Rick) for specifically informing me that search functions on any criteria throughout the many folders of my image library will not be successful unless those folders have first been cataloged. I had read the user guide many times, but could not find that statement clearly, simply, written. If it was indeed in the user guide, I certainly missed seeing it. I especially appreciate the detail referenced on Photo Raw User Guide, page 20. However, the user guide copy I have, "On1 Photo RAW 2021, page 20", only discusses using Photo Raw with Corel Paintshop Pro and Affinity Pro, neither of which do I have. No mention how cataloging must specifically be used. I will continue reading. At some point I am certain I will find the content you are referencing on a different page.
With your advice I have once again started the cataloging process of all of my images. When the process is finished I am looking forward to seeing no slowing of my computer's processing. Again, thank you for your assistance.
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I am using the latest version of the user guide...
You can get the new version here...
https://on1help.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/206373527-USER-GUIDES
Also, if you open the guide PDF in a reader like Acrobat, then you can search for anything. In this case, just search for 'Catalog' and keep hitting next till you see what you need.
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Check the last sentence of the first paragraph on page 44 in the section titled CATALOGED FOLDERS.
"Cataloged folders are necessary when using the Advanced Search feature to search for photos across multiple folders."
Not trying to be snarky, just wanted you to know that it is in the manual and you probably missed it.
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Again, thanks for the pointers.
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I have a massive library of images boing back some 20 years. I've found that trying to catalogue them all induces many problems, including system degradation and crashes, so I only catalogue the last few years.
If I need to do a complete search then I use the free version of Adobe Bridge to pinpoint my images. It works very well.
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I started this thread two weeks ago. I was persuaded cataloging my library was a good idea, which I then started the process. OK several questions:
Opening On1 takes just over five minutes before I can do anything. And I mean any thing. After that, if I work longer than a half hour my computer slows to a crawl. Indeed, exporting three .ophoto files to jpegs took over an hour to complete. My library has something over 50,000 items. Many of those are side car files, so I guess the actual number of images is loser to 30,000. How long does it take to index these images?
"Remove folder from catalog". Right click a folder and this command is visible. It is dimmed and inoperable. Why? Or, what does that mean? Bottom lineI have to disable the catalog system as it is directly affecting my workflow, and my profitability. How to do that.
Suggestion. Make the progress bar that is visible during export be selectable for a variety of tasks, be they running in the background or the foreground.
Thanks to all who can offer advice.
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I wish I could offer some advice but I can’t. I went through the same frustration as you are going through now a year or so ago. None of the advice I was given back then worked. The only thing I have found is as I have already said, keep your catalogues to an absolute minimum, just the very latest images, and use another search app. I use the free version of Bridge.
Also, shut down ON1 frequently. It will grind to a halt if you don’t. If you use masking for dodge and burn, again save and shut down frequently. I find exporting these images take the most time.
I’m convinced ON1 has a memory leak that causes these problems and shutting down clears out the registers.
It’s a great piece of kit for editing images but it it is very highly strung and needs constant shepherding to work consistently.
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I have to disagree. I have my entire Pictures folder cataloged (12K+ photos). I have also cataloged 2 of its sub-folders just for more direct access in the Catalogs panel. I've monitored memory usage and I cannot see any memory leaks. Memory usage just does not continue to climb relentlessly they way it would if there was a leak. It certainly doesn't hurt to Quit the program and relaunch it from time to time. Having said that, I frequently leave the program running for days at a time without any problems.
How full is your boot drive? How much space is the PBC occupying? Are your photos stored on the internal drive too? Having everything—the program, its swap space, the PBC, the Catalogs, and the images adds up to a whole bunch of I/O contention.
If you have created a catalog for your entire photos library you can find the count of images by selecting the top level Catalog folder and turning on the Show Sub-Folder Contents option. A count of your photos will be in the top right corner of the Browser.
You cannot remove from the Catalog any of its sub-folders. Otherwise, what is the point of creating a Catalog of that folder and ALL its contents? That command is meant for turning off Cataloging for the actual cataloged folder.
Waldemar, have you added an SSD for Photo RAW's Scratch space? I highly recommend it. It makes a big difference in the program's performance. It gets rid of all that I/O contention I mentioned above. I also have my photos on a separate SSD. I also put the PerfectBrowseCache there just to get it off the boot volume. My previous system's boot drive wasn't large enough to hold it and all my apps, etc.
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As for the progress bar, hover your mouse over the catalog to see the progress...
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I also wanted to add that there were some major memory leaks in the past and quitting and relaunching the program every so often (between photo edits?) was recommended. There were fixes a few versions back that eliminated that problem for me.
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Regarding hovering the cursor over a cataloged folder to see a progress percentage appear, that happened when I started the cataloging process. That no longer appears...no indication of any kind. It hasn't appeared for at least ten days or more. I would think that display would consistently appear when hovering over any cataloged folder.
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The progress indicator only appears for the actual Catalog folder, not any of its sub-folders.
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To Brian, you pose some interesting questions. First I wish to point out the On1 Photo Raw 2021, part 2, at the bottom of page 38, is this statement: "To remove a cataloged folder, right-click on the folder in the pane and choose Remove Cataloged Folder."
When I started this catalog process I selected an external Hard drive, added one folder, and then placed all of my images in carefully organized folders within. My thought process was that if I ever wanted to remove specific folder from a catalog I could simply remove it. It wouldn't be searchable, of course, but that is the point of removal. I don't need to search that content any more.
Now, with your and every other participants help, I understand my organizational approach is not what was in the reasoning for having cataloged folders. I feel that design element should have been given more emphasis in both video tutorials and user guide on the cataloged folders.
I am beginning to believe much of the issues I am having with a processing slow down is with a data bottleneck at the USB level, or the platter hard drive itself. SSD storage at the volume I require remains price prohibitive. Maybe a RAID. And then a possible memory leak elsewhere. Review of my system: iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, late 2014. Processor is 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Intel i5. Memory is 32 GB 1600MHZ DDR3. Boot disc is 1TB SSD, of which 740 GB is available. System OS is Mac Catalina. Photographs reside on an industrial 4TB HD with 64GB cache, which is accessed via a Thunderbolt 2 Cable to a Thunderbolt 2 Dock, then via USB 3.1 cable.
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First I wish to point out the On1 Photo Raw 2021, part 2, at the bottom of page 38,… Yes, but it means a folder you actually cataloged. Not one of its sub-folders. Think of it as the opposite of the Add Cataloged Folder command. You can only remove the folder that you added.
My Scratch drive SSD cost me about $80. That was for a 120GB drive, an external enclosure to put it in, and the cable to connect it to my system. Note that if this is something you decide to do it should have its own direct connection to your iMac. You don't want it daisy chained through another drive or connected to a hub which shares the I/O cable connecting the hub to the system. The idea is for the space the program uses the most to have its own direct I/O channel that is not shared with anything else. I suspect this is your major bottleneck.
Your image files being on a hard drive isn't that big a deal. It will slow down the reading of the actual file for editing or displaying full screen but that only happens once during an editing session. While browsing it will depend upon the cache size you've specified in the Preferences > System pane and the number of photos being viewed.
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