2022 upgrade and plugins
I'm having trouble understanding the change for plugins. I contacted support, but didn't get a straight answer.
Okay, I want to pay for the upgrade. But I already own the separate plugins for NoNoise and the like. I get it that these are now built into the 2022 On1 program, and I need to buy the plugin set separately if I wish to use these outside of On1.
One instance references the plugins like NoNoise as being 'new versions' for 2022. But nowhere can I find what is different about them.
Bottom line. What would I gain from buying the plugin bundle, as opposed to just the 2022 On1 Photo Raw upgrade? If the plugins are the same as the old ones, nothing gained because I already own them and can run them inside Photoshop. So what's improved with these, or is it nothing?
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Has anyone actually seen an ad for the 2022 plugins? Lots of info on a new Photo Raw 2022, but the Plugins mentioned are always 2021.
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As a long time Photo RAW user I'm really disappointed with their new upgrade pricing for 2022. They now charge you more than double the price if you want to keep the same features as previous versions (use as PhotoShop plugin) €165.58 – This is crazy, I won't be upgrading!
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I am very disappointed too. This is the last purchase from on1. I own now RAW2022 and i use 2021 as a plugin in Photoshop. This is an attack to the photoshopusers! I have the plugins in RAW 2022,why should i pay again for the same plugins?? They are crazy an will loose customers!
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I doubt that the old plug-ins will work with the new version of Photo RAW so you'd have to keep both versions of the programs to run the plug-ins for those features where you do not have the stand-alone apps to go with them. I do not recommend that. I've had problems when I've needed to go back to a previous version after upgrading to a new one.
The Tech Specs page for the plug-ins says the 2022 versions of the plug-ins will be Apple Silicon native. If you're a Mac user this means you won't have to run Ps or the other apps in the Rosetta emulation mode anymore in order to make use of ON1's plug-ins.
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Thanks. I do get it that the new 2022 Photo Raw won't run the old plugins, but it wouldn't need to because they are built in. And that being built in, I cannot use these outside Photo Raw.
I am on Windows, so the Silicon native bit doesn't affect me. But I must be missing something somewhere. I already have the 2021 versions of the stand alone plugins. They will continue to work in Photoshop and Lightroom (they do now, so there is no reason to think they will stop) or as standalones. I'm just trying to determine if it is worth paying the extra money for the bundle of 2022 plugins, when I so far cannot find anything different about them compared with the 2021 standalone versions that I already have as paid for apps. The only difference I see so far is your indication of Apple advantages, and a change from 2021 to 2022 as a version number.
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Unfortunately, the company hasn't said anything about what improvements or bug fixes, if any, have been made to them. I can only suggest you talk with Kahlie in Customer Service. She's got a better handle on this than the tech support folks. I don't know if she'll be able to answer all your questions, just that I can't, sorry.
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I kept asking the question, but kept getting the same form of answer: the plugins from 2021 won't work in 2022 and I should buy the bundle to allow use of 2022 plugins in other apps. It kept missing the point that I already have the separate, paid-for 2021 plugins and wanted to know what the difference was between the two sets, or I could waste my money buying what I essentially already have.
Finally I had an answer. 2022 plugs are currently not available for download (same as On1 Photo Raw 2022 then). I should wait until the developers showcase these in the next couple of months and make a decision. That's if there are new features (unknown).
It seems ill thought out. Right now, upgrade options are available including pre-ordering the plugin bundle at discount, but that is time limited and would expire before anyone says what the bundle actually represents. Only option for me is to upgrade On1 Photo Raw and ignore the bundle of 2022 plugins as having insufficient information to allow any purchase without knowing whether these are essentially duplicates of 2021.
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Don't forget there is a 14 day money back guarantee that does not start until the first time you run your purchase.
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Chris,
Seems you are asking do the new 2022 plugin modules have the new PR 2022 features added to them.
For example does the new Effects plugin module have have the new Line Mask and Sky Swap features built in same as full Photo Raw 2022 .
If I was a betting man I would say yes they probably have the same features as those in the full 2022 raw but as Brian indicates you have the 14 day money back guarantee to try them and find out.
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Seconded.
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Yes they are very unclear on what they answer, to what you ask them.Never to the point. Dont know why ,maybe those answering dont know how to answer you.😀
I was interested to purchase the latest ON1 package with the plugin bundle where they have included Photoshop and lightroom along with some other software plugins.What I need to know is ,does photoshop plugin work like a stand alone software in ON1?
Secondly is Photoshop integrated in LRC ie Lightroom?so we can further edit the picture back in lightroom.
Those having the experience in using these plugins will have the insights of these plugins.
Kindly advice on the above. Thanks.0 -
If you are asking tech support, they may not since it has not yet been released. Customer Service is a better source.
[D]oes photoshop plugin work like a stand alone software in ON1? Yes, the plug-ins call whatever software they are for just like they do in Photoshop. Only you don't need Photoshop. I don't have it and I am able to call the Topaz products via their Ps plug-ins.
[I]s Photoshop integrated in LRC ie Lightroom?so we can further edit the picture back in lightroom. I'm not sure I understand the question. If you start in Lightroom and call one of the ON1 plug-ins, yes, the photo will be returned to Lr for further editing. The User Guide talks about using Photo RAW with Lightroom Classic CC starting on page 13.
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For me, I don't like and I don't understand why the 2022 version doesn't install plugins for Photosop and Lightroom. It looks like a downgrade to my previous 2021 product. I'm very disappointed
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Bei mir sehe ich auch keine Plugins zu 2022.Ausserdem weiss ich nicht was mit gutem Gewissen deinstalliert werden kann. Hatte ja Portrait AI, Nonoise AI als standalone. Kann ich die deinstallierren, weil anscheinend in 2022 integriert??Oder geht dann gar nix mehr.
Wegen meiner Photosopaktionen muss ich wohl 2021 auch noch behalten!
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If you want to keep using Photo RAW as a plug-in to Lightroom or Photoshop you will need to keep the NoNoise AI and Portrait AI modules for 2021 installed.
Do you own a permanent license for Photo RAW or are you a subscriber? Subscribers will be receiving all the plug-ins once they have been released next month. If you own your license then you will need to purchase the plug-ins if you want the 2022 versions.
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Wenn Sie Photo RAW weiterhin als Plug-In für Lightroom oder Photoshop verwenden möchten, müssen Sie die Module NoNoise AI und Portrait AI für 2021 installiert lassen.
Besitzen Sie eine dauerhafte Lizenz für Photo RAW oder sind Sie Abonnent? Abonnenten erhalten alle Plug-Ins, sobald sie nächsten Monat veröffentlicht werden. Wenn Sie Ihre Lizenz besitzen, müssen Sie die Plug-Ins erwerben, wenn Sie die 2022-Versionen möchten.
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Ok this is another attempt at getting an answer from this forum, if it's available. By "subscriber" I assume you mean ON1 Plus Pro? I am a ON1 Plus Pro member and received my 2022 Photo Raw through that membership. I believe what we are saying is I should also receive the Plugins the same way. I have not received any emails to that effect and I see someone above said they have. Is this something I need to raise with support directly?
Thanks
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There shouldn't be any need to contact them. As a Plus Pro subscriber you are entitled to the plug-ins for free and you should have received an email in the past week or so. I'd check your spam filter, it may have been caught by it.
You should be able to log in to your account and download them from your Products page.
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ON1 Plus Pro members are entitled to the latest version of ON1 Photo RAW 2022 with their subscription, but the ON1 Professional Plugin Bundle 2022 must be purchased separately. ON1 Plus Pro subscribers can contact ON1 Support to purchase the ON1 Professional Plugin Bundle 2022 at a discounted price.
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My bad, sorry Joseph and thanks for clarifying Kahlie.
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Finally, I feeel cheated by ON1. No more subscriptions from my side
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They should have clearly clarified this before I renew my last subscription
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After some support exchanges with Kahlie she sent me this blog entry: https://www.on1.com/blog/on1-photo-raw-2022-the-ultimate-photo-editor-coming-soon/ as an argument.
If I read his content I understand that as I Plus Pro member I'm entlited to get the 2022 plugins for free, but I don't.
I have asked her to escalate it.
"Photo RAW subscription plans always include the latest version of ON1 Photo RAW for computers and mobile,
the ON1 Photo RAW cloud syncing, *and each of the ON1 plugins*"0 -
The problem with that announcement is that there is more than one kind of subscription and the Blog doesn't specify that. It's been confusing from the beginning even for those of us who usually know what's going on.
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That is why I thought they are included for Plus Pro members as well. Kahlie (she) is the ultimate authority though.
Further down in that blog post it also says, "Moving forward, plugins will be included with the ON1 Professional Plugin Bundle and individual apps only."
Where it says "Photo RAW subscription plans" it mean users who choose the current subscription plan, introduced after Plus Pro was discontinued.
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subscription plan(s), not plan
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As the one who started this thread, I can follow the discussion and understand the way this is supposed to work. And there has been a five-day limited offer to buy the five plugins at a discount, if you own 2022. That's good.
But I've spent some considerable time trying to work out what the differences are between the 2021 and 2022 plugins. As mentioned before, I already have the paid 2021 full set, so my interest is in finding out the differences (hopefully without downloading trials and messing up some other settings, or trusting that the plugin inside Raw 2022 is identical to the standalone). Cannot find that info anywhere. Comparing the two sets, what's actually changed? Same interface at a glance, same splash screen?
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There have been bug fixes, implementation of Layers in Photo RAW Effects, new masking tools (Line Mask), Apple Silicon native code, and more.
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This was the text from the FAQ page which appears to have disappeared.
Subscription (monthly or yearly). Includes Photo RAW 2022 and all future upgrades, the entire Professional Plugin Bundle of version 2022 apps (individual plugins NoNoise, Effects, Resize, Portrait, HDR), all future individual apps and plugins, and ON1 Cloud Sync which allows you to sync your edits, presets, and metadata across multiple computers and mobile devices (1TB cloud storage, or 200GB storage). Subscribing is a great option both economically and feature-wise, since you'll always have the newest ON1 editing technologies.
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And that is still true if you've subscribed to Photo RAW. The Plus Pro subscription (discontinued) is a different plan.
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Ah, thanks for clarifying Brian. Sorry for the attempted confusion.
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