Cannot remove the sky mask
I replaced a sky and synced it to another photo. The second photo seemed to have slightly different dimensions and a slice of the mask was missing. I.e. the sky was too far to the left with an empty part right. No sweat I thought, just hit reset. The sky vanished but the mask remained and a new sky just used the old mask, so I then tried reset all. Still the mask remained. I tried reset all from browse and still the mask remained. Eventually I deleted the both sidecars – on1 and xmp. Guess what, the mask was still there! Ok, in desperation I copied the photo (the .cr2) to another location, deleted the photo in ON1 and then copied the photo back. But still the mask remained! This mask only affects the sky and no other effects, so is a sky mask stored elsewhere? And is it possible to delete it?
I would like to know if others have seen this before I log an issue.
That is true. Once you've used the Sky tab you cannot remove it. Your only option is to turn off its visibility.0
I think we should all make the suggestion for the sky tab to be delete-able, as is the case with all the effects.0
I made that suggestion during testing. The more people who make it, the more likely it is to get fixed. The program is memory hungry enough without having to leave in place unwanted filters even if they are turned off so they have no affect on the photo.0
Will do, I will start a thread on the On1 Photo Raw Project page.
On another topic, is there any reason why there is no masking in NoNoise?0
I assume it's because none of the panels in the Develop panel can be masked directly. You can duplicate the layer before applying NNAI then use the Layer's mask.0
Ok, but you can't create a new mask by clicking on sky; the old (erroneous) mask is always used, which means you can never replace the sky on that photo.0
What can I say Gerry? Unfortunately, right now that's how the program works. The syncing thing seems like a bug that needs to be reported.
Did you try clicking the Reset widget for the Sky panel? That should regenerate a brand new mask for that sky.
I just created a mask for a landscape photo which I then synced to a photo of the Blue Angels, not a mountain or tree in sight. The new mask was appropriate for a photo of aircraft. I did not get the landscape mask that I had synced. I did not adjust any of the sliders for the original mask though.
I've found with syncing other automated features if the automatically generated settings are synced the new photo will use that feature's AI to create new settings/mask for that photo. If you make any adjustments at all, what gets synced are those exact settings.
I just tried syncing a Sky mask where I had made slider adjustments. This time I went from the aircraft to the landscape. Once again, the proper mask was created as you can see from the screenshot below. Neither of these images had been cropped so that could be a factor. The slider settings I used for the original mask were synced as I would expect.
You need to let support know about your situation, Gerry. Send them both photos with their sidecars. I'm sure you know the drill — compress them all together and upload then send the download link in your support request. Be sure to send them your log files too so they can see what the program was doing.
How to submit a problem to ON1 Tech Support - A Step-by-step Guide0
With the current implementation, you may be stuck with a bad AI sky mask, but that doesn't mean you can't edit it yourself if it's not right.0
Thanks folks, but I am having so many little niggles I am just going to accept the situation (SNAFU) as it is and wait for the next iteration. Then I will take the nuclear option of removing all traces of ON1 and doing a clean install. Maybe I'll even wait until I get a new PC.0
There is a way to clear a mask in the Sky tab.
- Expand the mask options and copy the bad mask, this enables the Paste option
- Go to any unmasked Effects filter, expand the mask options and copy the mask which should be a completely white mask
- Go back to Sky tab and paste the blank mask. You should then be able to create a manual mask, i.e. by using Luminosity Mask. If you want the original AI mask back then use the reset icon at top right hand side of Sky tab.
I have tried syncing between portrait and landscape images and correct sky mask created for second image, so not seeing your problem. If you are still having problems then one option might be to follow the steps above but on the Effects Filter use the Mask/Sky option from Menu bar and then copy/paste/invert that in Sky tab.0
Thanks David, good one. This has enabled me to create an all white mask in the sky tab. Sky replacement is no longer possible, but a luminosity mask is. I think something was a bit off-kilter with this one image. Thanks again.0
My thread on the Photo Raw Project has still not been "approved".
I usually know within an editing session whether or not a sky swap is going to work: so I can revert to an earlier state in the editing via the history panel. I suppose it would be a good idea to use the new snapshot feature instead and always remember to take a snapshot prior to experimenting with Sky Swap. It's still quite hit and miss (albeit better than it was) and I often find I get a better result sending the image to Luminar Neo, where the same sky will often work without the need to tinker with a mask.0
You can also use the Undo command or the History panel to backup to the point just before the Sky was added to get rid of it.0
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