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.on1 files for exported jpgs

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  • Gianni Sarasso

    Maybe they have keywords that haven't been embedded

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    I investigated this a few weeks ago. What I found is there is one Preset in the new Export panel which causes this. It is the Preset to create a dng on the Desktop. There is an option turned on to create the sidecar file at the same time. Turning that option off does not stop their creation. Modifying that Preset to make one of your own carries that option with it.

    The only other time I've been able to get an .on1 file to appear with a photo I've exported is when I view the exported file and click in the Metadata panel. You don't have to make any changes, or enter any data. Simply clicking on one of the fields apparently causes the program to flag the metadata as having been changed and that in turn causes the creation of the sidecar file.

    Here is the link to the discussion that prompted me to look into this. https://on1help.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/4408507564685-Why-sidecar-after-export-

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  • Volker Gottwald

    Thanks for this link and your investigation. I've searched for all these files on my system and found that they all have been created after Dec 25 with the latest version 2022.1 in folders that existed long before and that I may have opened in PR after using the new version.

    I assume this is a buck.

    Has anyone reported the issue already and received feedback? Should I report my findings to support?

     

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    So you're talking about files that were exported previously and not seeing them created when you export new files? That is something you'll have to talk to support about. My guess is that when the new version ran its migration tool the new sidecars were created for the old exports.

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  • Volker Gottwald

    Yes, those are exported jpgs that have been created long ago. I'm currently running a search on my hard disk and it's more than 300 .on1 files for older jpgs already. The search has not finished yet.

    I did create a new catalog exactly on Dec 25 when al these .on1 files where created.

    I will create a report to support.

    So far I could not see an .on1 file that was created at the same time while exporting to jpg. I will observe this.

     

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    If those jpegs were in the folder structure that was cataloged then what you are seeing is normal behavior. The program does create them while it creates the catalog.

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  • Volker Gottwald

    Yes, those folders are in the folder structure that was cataloged. But this did not happen with older versions. If, than the files would have already existed. And why should .on1 files be created from jpg files before even editing them on the day when the new catalog was created?

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  • Volker Gottwald

    All the files have one line of text only like this one:

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    {"photos":{"f4df5d6c-0db7-445d-8775-db8bb6095cdf":{"guid_locked":false,"metadata":{"Aperture":"f/3.2","Artists":["Volker Gottwald"],"CameraMake":"NIKON CORPORATION","CameraModel":"NIKON D800","CameraSN":"6069523","CaptureDate":"Thur Jan 19 16:32:56 2017","Channels":3,"ColorProfile":"sRGB","ContactCity":"Waldems","Copyright":"Volker Gottwald","Depth":8,"Dimensions":{"Height":800,"Width":1296},"ExposureBias":"EV -0.33","ExposureProgram":3,"Flash":16,"FocalLength":"24 mm","GPS":"6°26'37.000008\" N 79°59'20.999908\" E","ISO":"ISO 100","Label":"","LensMake":"Nikon","LensModel":"Nikon AF-S Nikkor 24-70mm f/2.8G ED VR","LocationCountry":"Sri Lanka","MetadataDate":"Fri Aug 14 11:34:19 2020","MetadataTemplateChecksum":0,"MeteringMode":5,"Orientation":1,"Rating":0,"Resolution":{"h":118,"v":118},"ShutterSpeed":"1/500","UserComments":" ","UserFlag":0,"WhiteBalance":0},"name":"VG8_5753_on1_landscape.jpg","type":2}},"type":1,"version":2022}

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    or like this one:

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    {"photos":{"16fe0611-a0a8-4b7d-8df8-57da522b8a58":{"guid_locked":false,"metadata":{"Aperture":"f/4","Artists":["Volker Gottwald"],"CameraMake":"NIKON CORPORATION","CameraModel":"NIKON D500","CameraSN":"6013251","CameraScaleFactor":1.5,"CaptureDate":"Thur May 28 15:49:50 2020","Channels":3,"ColorProfile":"sRGB","Copyright":"Volker Gottwald","Depth":16,"Dimensions":{"Height":1000,"Width":1621},"ExposureBias":"EV 0","ExposureProgram":4,"Flash":112,"FocalLength":"180 mm","FocalLengthIn35mm":270,"FocusDistance":0.7079457640647888,"ISO":"ISO 800","Label":"","MetadataDate":"Fri May 29 18:06:55 2020","MetadataTemplateChecksum":0,"MeteringMode":5,"Orientation":1,"Rating":0,"Resolution":{"h":300,"v":300},"ShutterSpeed":"1/8000","UserFlag":0,"WhiteBalance":0},"name":"VG_500_0831_on1_landscape.jpg","type":2}},"type":1,"version":2022}

     

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    Yes, that is all the embedded EXIF metadata from the jpegs. It only looks like one line because your text editor doesn't understand its dictionary structure.

    Did you create a new Catalog after installing the last update? If you didn't, the program wouldn't have rescanned your folders and the .on1 files would not have been created.

    If you want a better answer you'll have to talk with tech support.

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  • Volker Gottwald

    Yes I did create a new catalog after the update. But I did that several times in the past without this effect. And what is the sense of having this embedded metadata in an .on1 file if it's embedded anyhow. What is it good for? If it's needed for something when editing it could be created when editing?

    (The file size and disk space is not an issue, it's more a cosmetic, logical issue than anything else. And if the .on1 file would be good for something it would be ok for me. I just want to understand why.)

    I'm waiting for an answer from support.

    So far the search resulted in 770 files. And if at the end all my exported jpgs and other jpgs not edited have a .on1 file next to it it might be more than a few thousand.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    Why are you asking me Volker? I don't make the design decisions so I certainly can't justify them. All I can do is my best to explain things as I understand them.

    Let us know what support has to say about why.

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  • Volker Gottwald

    Brian,

    sorry for asking. I thought you might have an answer. Also I asked more myself than any one else.

    As soon as I hear from support I will let the world know.

     

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    I understand that, Volker. It's when I gave you an answer, based on my understanding of the program, that you wanted me to explain and I just can't do that. Sorry if my frustration came through.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    As I understand it, the .on1 sidecars are the master source for the program's information; after the image file itself of course. That being the case I can see why it would want to create on for all the photos it has cataloged. That's what I was trying to get across.

    And I might be wrong, it happens you know. 😉 I'm looking forward to hearing what support has to say.

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  • Volker Gottwald

    This is the answer from support:

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    Thank you for contacting ON1 Support.

    For this, we must inform you that sidecar files will be created for your images when they are first cataloged which is likely why this is occurring.
    you can actually always delete any recent sidecar files if you would like and then delete the settings file for Photo RAW 2022 to have it recreate those sidecar files when editing your images.

    Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.

    Regards, 

    Cody | On1 Technical Support

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