Advanced search gripes
Advanced Search gripes.
As soon as you select “Advanced Search” you are presented with the search pane, in which you can enter your search terms. Once the search window opens, the search pane remains in the centre of the screen, effectively obscuring the resulting images. The only way to see the results of the search is to drag the search pane to the edge of the screen. Surely the obvious thing to do would be to minimise the search pane when the search commences, but there does not seem to be a means of doing this.
There are various options for searching “All images”, “Current Images” and “All Catalogged Images” etc. which always seems to default to “Search Current Images.” If this was made “sticky” and remembered the last setting, it would save me having to select “Search All Images” or “Search all catalogged Images.” next time I do a search.
When I come to a search result I want to look at in more detail, if I close the search pane I lose the image of interest and get thrown back to the image catalog where the image of interest is located. This is extremely annoying, since I just made my image selection and I've just lost it. The only way you can keep a selected image is to select “Edit” which is not always wanted if you are just browsing.
Keywords:
I spend hours keywording all my images but in a previous version of On1 if I searched for “Stowe” I could not understand why I was presented with images of Tower Bridge after searching for “stowe.” I eventually realised that my images were keyworded “river thames,tower bridge” and the program was ignoring the comma between “thames” and “tower” and returning the result as “stowe”
I'm pleased to say this problem has now been overcome, only to be replaced with another.
I was searching for the keyword “alley” and kept getting results for “valley.” the program appears to take a partial match and insert it into a longer keyword. What I'd like is a means of precisely identifying a particular word, so it is not added to another word. I've tried entering the search term in inverted commas (quotation marks) but that doesn't do it, so I'd like a means of inserting an exact search word.
It's been suggested to me that I search using the keyword list, but I find this is extremely awkward, time consuming and tedious and I cannot get used to it.
My plea is, if we are going to have an “advanced search” facility, please make it work properly.
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The program defaults to Current Images because of the time that is required to complete the search when searching a Catalog or through All Images. Previously we would have to wait a couple of seconds between keystrokes when typing in the search criteria and users complained. This was the fix.
Don't close the Search panel, just drag it off screen where it isn't covering the view of the Search Results. Another option is to Select All and drag the images to an Album. Select the close the Advanced Search panel and select the Album and you have access to your photos for as long as you need. I keep a temporary working space Album named ~ so it is at the top of the list and easy to find. When I'm done with the photos the search returned I clear the Album so it is empty for the next search when needed.
Learn to use the tools the program has provided for you. The Keyword panel works great. You can type in its search field what you are looking for to reduce the size of the list you have to work with making it easy to narrow down the list to just what you need. In your 'alley' example only those Keywords which contain that string will be displayed making it easy to separate alley from valley (they will be on opposite ends of the list!) and double-click the one you want to get an exact match for your search results.
It does work properly, you need to learn how to use it properly.
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Don't close the Search panel, just drag it off screen where it isn't covering the view of the Search Results.
Not possible. You're always going to have part of an image underneath the search pane.
Another option is to Select All and drag the images to an Album. Select the close the Advanced Search panel and select the Album and you have access to your photos for as long as you need. I keep a temporary working space Album named ~ so it is at the top of the list and easy to find.
I've got enough folders on my system without starting yet another one.
The Keyword panel works great. agreed!
You can type in its search field what you are looking for to reduce the size of the list you have to work with making it easy to narrow down the list to just what you need. In your 'alley' example only those Keywords which contain that string will be displayed making it easy to separate alley from valley (they will be on opposite ends of the list!) and double-click the one you want to get an exact match for your search results.It would be much nicer if the search only searched for the expression you entered, rather than finding every similar phrase. One way of doing this would be to enclose the search term in quote marks. It would also be nice if, when you close the search pane, the program showed you your selected image rather than presenting you with the directory in which the image resides.
Looks like we have a difference of opinion as to what "properly" means.1 -
It most certainly is possible, I do it all the time. There are the left and right side columns where it can be placed as well as the bottom of the page.
I've got enough folders on my system without starting yet another one. Seriously, you can't add one more to help solve the problem you are complaining about? Again, with the name ~ it shows up right at the top of the list making it easy to find and it doesn't interfere with the rest of your list.
The place to offer suggestions for changes to the program is at the ON1 Photo RAW Project page.
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Just had yet another problem with "Advanced Search"
Looking to do a search for the word "tree" I am presented with dozens of images keyworded "street"
This is a complete waste of my time since I have many more images keyworded "street" than I have with the keyword "tree."
I simply do not have the time to separate "tree" from "street" so I've had to reert to the reverse keyword search, which is tedious.
Some means of searching for an exact search term would be useful, for example defining the exact search word within single or double quote marks i.e. 'tree' or "tree" rather than finding the search term as part of a londer word.0 -
If you double-click on the desired keyword in the Keywords List, only that keyword will be used to return the Search Results. I have 'tree' and 'Street Art' in my Keywords. Double-clicking 'tree' did not return any 'Street Art' images.
The key is to set the search to is when setting it up manually.
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If we have to search using the "Keyword List" then what is the point of having an "Advanced Search" button?
I'll take a look at the "is" command.
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Interesting.
My "advanced search" only allows "Contains" or "Does not contain" for the search term.No "is" option.
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Double-clicking in the Keyword List predates the Advanced Search feature. It also sets up the Advanced Search panel to give you the search you want. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
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Are you running the latest version of the program? Have you tried the Delete Settings and Reset ON1 Photo RAW commands?
https://on1help.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360049641431-Delete-Settings-File0 -
This is what the Advanced Search panel should look like when setting up a Keywords search manually.
I find double-clicking in the Keyword List to be much faster and easier. Type tree into its search field then double-click the tree entry and you're done.
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I had been searching using the "Everything" filter which gives a more limited range of options, like "Contains" or "Does not contain":
Noe I've changed to "Keywords" I can now access the full range of options, why isn't this the default setting?.
BTW, searching the list of keywords still returns dozens of "Street" images like this:
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Yes, that is how it is designed to work. Just scroll down to the actual 'tree' entry and double-click it.
Good to hear you found the proper settings in the Advanced Search panel.
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