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Can't add hierarchical Keyword on photo import from SD card.

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    'Lens' should already be in your keyword list. Select it* in the list and right click, select add keyword, check the option to 'Nest inside of Lens' and add the Konica info. Once you have that set up you'll be able to add both levels at the same time.

    Once it's set up, you'll be able to select both during import.

    * you can't just right click, you have to select it first.

     

    All of this is described on page 41 of the user guide.

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  • Karen McBride

    Thanks but I have already done that step and I see my keywords listed in the Metadata pane but when I select them both on import only the parent gets added to the photo.  I have tried adding them both separately and I can add them both on import.  I just can't add them both at the same time.  Give it a try and see if you can add both Birthday and Birthday cake to a photo while you are importing it.  I would be curious to see if anyone else is having this problem.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    I answered this question last month for another user. Please see Selecting keyword on Import, it may give you the answer.

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    This is the import screen. I'm able to select either Cake or Cake<Birthday. I don't need to select both, the second option adds both at the same time.

     

    If this is not working for you, follow the attached article to delete settings, then try it again to see if it works better.

    https://on1help.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360049641431-Delete-Settings-File

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  • Karen McBride

    My problem is not selecting the keyword. I can select both keywords without any problem. I did search before I posted my question and couldn’t find a reference my problem. 
    Let me try and describe it one more time.

    PhotoRaw will not add, my successfully selected, HIERARCHICAL keywords to the photos I import. (I successfully select the PARENT keyword and it’s CHILD but only the PARENT is added to the imported photos).  My screen looks like the birthday cake example posted above except when I select keywords they don’t appear on two separate lines, instead they are on one line and PhotoRaw separates them with a comma.

    When I select two NON-HIERARCHICAL keywords everything works as it should and both of the NON-HIERARHICAL keywords are added to all the photos on import. No problem. This tells me that I am adding keywords to imported photos correctly.  Once again when I select  several NON-HIERARCHICAL keywords for importing PhotoRaw puts my keywords on one line and separates them with a comma on the import screen. (By this I mean that it doesn’t appear to be a problem with the formatting of the keywords on the Import screen)

    In summary, my problem is getting PhotoRaw to add (my successfully selected) HIERARCHAL keywords (one PARENT and one CHILD keyword) to the photos that I import.

    I hope that makes sense.

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  • Karen McBride

    Rick, that is helpful.  I will give it a try.  I definitely have to select them twice to get the parent and the child. Thanks. 

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    There is no need to add both the parent and the child keywords in an hierarchical structure. When you add the child the parent is already there and it can be searched for by itself. Searching for Cake will return both photos with just Cake and those with Cake < Birthday.

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  • Karen McBride

    Ok, I have done some more testing.  I need to select both the parent and the child keyword from the import pane in order to get both of them assigned to the imported photo (Birds,Birds<Robin).  If I just select (Birds<Robin) then the parent keyword is not assigned.

    The problem I am having with the .Len<LensX keyword is slightly different.  When I follow the same logic and assign (.Lens,.Lens<.LensX) I only get the parent keyword assigned.  The child keyword .Lens<.LensX is not assigned.  Instead, PhotoRaw is stripping the period (.) from the child keyword and it creates a new keyword Lens<LensX (without the period).  So the program is creating the parent and child keywords for me but it altering the child keyword.  I like to use the period as a special character so the keyword appears at the top of my keyword list and it is easy to find.  I tried using the dash (-) in place of the period and PhotoRaw stripped that off as well.

    I let tech support know that PhotoRaw is letting me create keywords that can't be assigned on import.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    You cannot use periods in your keywords which is why they are being stripped. If you want to use something to control the order they appear in the Keyword List I suggest using numbers. I have keywords "1 - ", "2 - ", etc in my keyword list.

    Are you leaving spaces around the < character when you enter the keyword in the Import dialog? You are not using them in your reports here is why I ask. The program needs the spaces to identify their hierarchical nature.

    Again, I do not understand why you would want both "Birds" and "Birds < Robin" to be assigned to your photo. Once "Birds < Robin" has been assigned the "Birds" entry is redundant and a waste of space. As I mentioned above you can search for "Birds" or "Birds < Robin" and the photo will be found. Searching for "Birds" will return all photos with that keyword whether it is an entry by itself or part of a hierarchical entry. You would get all of your Birds photos for that search.

    The way I enter hierarchical keywords in the Import dialog is to start typing the parent keyword. I then use the arrow key to highlight it in the list that is displayed. Next I type ' < ' (notice the surrounding spaces) and the starting character of the child keyword. Back to the arrow key to move down the list to the desired keyword. I repeat this method until I get to the last keyword in the hierarchy and I have some that are 5 deep. It works flawlessly for me every time.

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  • Karen McBride

    You can create keywords with leading special characters.  I have many of them that start with a period and dash.  Since PhotoRaw lets you create keywords with a leading special character so it should also allow the user to select them on import.  

    I made a mistake in typing my comment.  I do have spaces around the " < ".  I always select keywords from the list when importing. I never type them in directly for fear of making a typo.

    I like to have the parent keyword assigned so I can tell at a quick glance that a keyword exists for a photo.  If I only select the child then when the keyword list is not expanded it looks like no keyword has been assigned to the photo.  Sometimes I slip up and forget to assign keywords on import and this way I can tell quickly if that's the case.

     

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    I'm not going to argue with you about this. You've tried it and it isn't working. I've explained why. Take it up with someone else.

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  • Karen McBride

    Sorry, I am not trying to argue with you.  I appreciate your help.  Sorry if I offended you.

    I only wanted to clarify that you can create keywords with leading special characters (outside of the the import function) and that there is an inconsistency in the program that allows a user to create certain keywords and then not import them.

     

     

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    I will agree that there is an inconsistency between what were are allowed to use when creating keywords and then being able to search for. That is a problem to be reported to tech support and something I cannot help with. All I can tell you is what works for me.

    I apologize for being short with you. I have my bad days too. 😁

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  • Karen McBride

    Yes, I put in a ticket and we will see if they sort it out.  

    I do really appreciate all that you do.  I "follow" you on this forum so I read most of what you post.  I find it incredibly helpful as a fellow Mac user.  It is sort of like reading a "Tip of the Day" blog.  You have lots of knowledge and you share it freely with all of us, so thanks again. I'm a fan :)

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