AI Keywords not automatically scanning catalogue folders
In the manual, Photo RAW's AI Keywords "By default, the photos in all of your all of your cataloged folders are scanned by Photo RAW and all AI-generated keywords are displayed in the AI Keywords section of the Metadata pane."
I left my computer running overnight but none of my catalogued folders were scanned.
I can kick in a manual scan for a photo or a folder (by selecting all with Ctrl-A), and it works, but I don't want to do this with each of my many dozens of catalogued folders.
I could do a search for everything and then select all and scan for keywords. But I don't like that approach because if I try to shut down Photo RAW, it seems upset because I have a task running. If I say to shut down, I then have to initiate the process again the next time I run Photo RAW.
I would have hoped that Photo RAW would just quietly go about automatically scanning for AI Keywords whenever I have the program open and keep track of what had been done whenever it shuts down and pick up again the next time.
Am I missing something? Should I have to manually scan for AI Keywords for all my existing catalogued folders?
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I've submitted a request to support for clarification of this too - it seems rather pointless if we have to manually scan our catalogued folders as that's not what the Preferences setting would suggest
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Thanks Peter. I will open a ticket too. Never hurts to add a voice to the official pipeline.
I don't think things are working as advertised. :-)
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Have the same issue and question.
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Response from ON1:
”The automatic keyword will happen on images in your cataloged folder. On images that aren't in a cataloged folder you can hit the Scan Now button. The automatic keyword is something that happens in the background and if you have a lot of cataloged images, it can take a while to populate that pane. If there is a file that is cataloged and has not yet been scanned and added, you can override the priority by hitting the scan button. The process does not take an alphabetical order or the view order you have in Browse. Since it's a background operation, it frees up the app to let you actually do edits while it goes through your cataloged folder.”
However, I left my folders to be recatalogued, and my PC idle for a long while after that, and see no sign of any automatic AI keyword generation. When I go into a subfolder, I still need to manually scan most if not all images. On the other hand, if you do an advanced search, it does seem to find AI keyword matches, it just doesn’t seem to display all ai keywords on an image unless you manually scan - which is weird…
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After a week, I still see no sign of automatic keywording. I have a reasonably powerful machine - 8th gen Core-i7, 32 GB RAM. When it is just sitting there with PR2023, a browser (with a dozen or so open tabs), and a few other programs loaded, CPU utilization is almost always well under 10%, memory utilization generally under 40%.
While I have not checked every file in every folder under my catalogued folders, I have clicked on many dozens and none have been automatically keyworded.
I bugged it with ON1 and they replied that they were "investigating some user reports of this issue." They asked for log files and an MSINFO dump. I provided that last Wednesday. Nothing since. But I guess they are busy with actual crashes. I am sure they will get around to minor issues like automatic keywording not working as they have time for it.
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Seems like I have the same problem in my version 2023 (17.0.2.13102)
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have you checked to make sure it's enabled?
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Yes, it looks like below, if I mark the pict manual for one year and hit "Scan" it starts scan a scan job, the program seems not releasing memory after each job it keeps increasing I have now scan six year, see below (aprox 10 000 pict).
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For the memory problem, you'll have to talk to ON1 tech support, you might as well ask them about the other problem at the same time.
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For those that didn't have On1 automatically AI keyword their catalogs, I have now resolved this myself. After waiting weeks for Photo Raw to automatically keyword my current catalogs, I gave up. I then deleted all of my catalogs and then re-cataloged my folders. This appears to have finally triggered the keywording which completed after about a day and a half of processing. I suggest that if others have this problem that they try deleting and then re-creating their catalogs.
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@Charles - thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, it didn't help me. I did as you did - deleted catalogs and then created a new catalog - a single one that has folders within it for each year and then individual shoots as subfolders within them.
AI Keywording kicked in for a bit but then stalled. After a couple of days of my computer remaining on 24x7, with very little else going on (CPU is usually under 10%), no more keywords. Less than half of my photos have had AI keywords applied.
Something (on my setup at least) remains broken.
Chris
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Guys from On1.. please find a solution to get rid of that problem and give us the promised feature back
Please..i left my MAC online 24/7 nothing happened...
Henry
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Henry, you are not talking to ON1 here. Just other users like yourself. If you want to talk to the company you'll have to do so directly with a support request.
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I have downloaded Photo RAW 2023.5 (17.5.1.14051). I added some catalogues and my CPU was very active for several hours. when I go into the catalogues for almost every photo I only see keywords such as Vivid and Low-key. I have found a very small number that have Male and Female tags.The files are Sony RAW. Could I have the same problem that Chris had or is my issue a different one do you think?Examle below. Manual scanning does not produce anything additional.
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The Keyword AI model used by Photo RAW to evaluate an image is older than the one currently in the new Keyword AI program. I think you are not having any problem, it's just how the program is working for now. Some things it is good at identifying, others not so much and some not at all.
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Ah, that makes perfect sense. Probably best that I park using this functionality for a whole and revisit later in the year. Thanks for responding.
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Support posted a new article to the Knowledge Base last week stating that they have discovered a problem where changing the Preferences setting for which processor is used for doing the AI work can cause it to fail in all cases, not just keyword searching. Be sure to leave the setting at Auto.
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I changed my setting back to Auto, restarted Photo RAW, then removed and re-added a catalogue of a few hundred photos. After a few hours of scanning (based on CPU activity) I still can only get keywords like "Vivid" "Low Key" "Muted" and the like. I'll revisit if/when there is a maintenance upgrade to improve how it performs. It is a good initiative and they will get it working soon I'm sure.
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I'm having the same issue as Mark in that a scan only results in a few' generic' type keywords. It won't even indicate the folder containing the photo even tho' that option is selected. And 'yes' my setting is Auto regarding processor. The original release version of ON1 Photo Keyword AI had the same problem but the update is now working OK. It seems to me that it is necessary to update the Keyword AI part of ON1 Photo RAW to fix this problem.
I might also add that IF one shoots in both RAW+JPEG and uses the stand-alone ON1 Photo Keyword AI app to add keywords with the 'Automatically Embed Metadata' turned on, then moves over to ON1 Photo RAW to do editing, the RAW and JPEG files show separately even when the option to stack them (treat as one) is on. I think this is because the JPEG files are no longer 'similar' to the RAW files since the metadata is now present (it's in a sidecar for the RAW files).
Further on this, if RAW+JPEG are stacked in Photo RAW and keywords are added in Photo RAW, even if the metadata is embedded, the keywords only show for the RAW files in the Photo Keyword AI app. The JPEG files do not contain the keywords presumably because the RAW+JPEG are being treated as one.
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"It seems to me that it is necessary to update the Keyword AI part of ON1 Photo RAW to fix this problem." Exactly, the model used in Photo RAW has not yet been updated to match what is in Keyword AI.
The RAW+JPEG stacking being broken should be reported to tech support.
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Will do.
Thanks.
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