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AI masking tools

Steven Kurzrok

Sent to Tech support today (with answer)- My question is at the bottom

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Cody Armstrong (ON1)

Oct 11, 2022, 08:17 PDT

Hello,
 
Thank you for contacting ON1 Support.
 
Thank you for your feedback and suggestions. I will pass your comments on to our Development Team to see if they may be able to add the AI Mask tool back in as an option.
 
We also have a page called the ON1 Photo Project where you can submit, review, and vote on ideas for future updates to ON1 Photo RAW. If your idea gets enough votes, our product development team will start working on your idea. We recommend submitting your idea on the ON1 Photo Project page here: https://www.on1.com/products/photo-raw/ideas/
 
Please let us know if we can be of any further assistance. 
 
Regards,
 

Cody | On1 Technical Support

 

 

 

Steven Kurzrok

Oct 11, 2022, 08:10 PDT

Would like you to add back the old "AI mask " as an additional tool. It remains a very effective masking tool and I would like to continue to use it. The new superselect AI tool will be useful in some instances but does not make the older tool no longer useful. Really no good reason to "dustbin" it

Steve
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  • Chris Taylor

    I too find the new Quick Mask in 2023 to be (far too often) very imprecise. While I can see its utility in some images, I think it would be good to ADD back in the ability to use the old method of Quick Mask, where you get to choose areas to add or drop.

    Maybe it could be under the "Mode" drop down;

     - AI in

     - AI out

     - Paint in

     - Paint out

    Here is an example of just how bad the new version can be - with no option to refine things (while using Quick Mask) and just how much better 2022 allowed me to use Quick Mask

    Original photo

    With Quick Mask in 2023 (as it ended up on a local adjustment)

    And with Quick Mask in 2022. Note: I could have refined this even better in 2022. In 2023, I can't refine things in Quick Mask at all! This is as it ended up in a local adjustment. I chose to view the mask so it really shows how much better the mask is.

    I will enter this in the Photo RAW project as well, but given that the last date anything there was actioned by ON1 is from May 16th, I am posting here too.

     

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  • Richard Wasserman

    I agree entirely with this request to restore the 2022 version of AI masking with the add/drop option. I have experienced way more "misses" than "hits" in using the new AI masking, and find myself doing much more traditional masking/refining than I have needed to do since you added the original add/drop version of AI masking.  The new version generally has been unable to correctly identify things like "sky" or "water" in the images in which I have tried to use it; it often hasn't even been close.  For now, when I want to work on an image that requires significant masking, I'll work on it using your 2022 software.

    Richard

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    The old AI mask needs to be brought back, but not as a suggested feature. That would take ages. It needs to be brought back now to correct a mistake.

    I say anyone who wants it back should contact On1 and say so. The more people who send a message, the more likely it will happen.

    Send the message here...

    https://on1help.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

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  • Steven Kurzrok
    • Edited

    Long term On1 user. While I am rarely swayed by the naysayers on the web, it does appear that On1 has stumbled with is release. The issue with nVidia cards needs a rapid solution ,as for many the new release is unusable.

    Many wonder why a perfectly good tool was retired (mask AI) when it could have been simply left in place and the new capabilities added as an additional tool. No tool is right all the time and many have had well working workflows disrupted. Mask quality overall in the new AI needs work and while I suspect it will improve over time, I could often get a better mask with the old Mask AI. I hope they will add the old tool back as they have done with other masking tools in the past. No cost to them and much good will, if they listen to the customer.

    I hope and expect that we will see patch releases early on. For now I have 2023 but will use 2022.5 until corrections are available.

     

    Steve

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  • Steven Kurzrok

    Glad they are listening to users!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58RU2rZt3Ak

    Steve

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  • Babette Munting

    I am having a terrible time with most masking tools, renaming the image being worked on in layers, moving from one layer to another, random events happening, endless "spinning". I wonder if I need re re install....or ? 

     

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator
    • Edited

    What do you mean "Renaming the image"?

    As for the rest, take a look at sections 5 and 6 of these tips...

    https://on1help.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/10809695637645-Troubleshooting-Tips

     

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  • Babette Munting

    (I was referring to giving each layer a new name)

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator

    and what's the problem with that? All you have to do is double click the header.

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  • Babette Munting

    It never works to double click the header.

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  • Rick Sammartino Community moderator
    • Edited

    You're not giving me anything to work with. If you want to actually explain what you're doing in detail or post a screenshot if it helps, we might come up with some suggestions.

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  • Brian Lawson Community moderator

    Are we thinking the same thing for "header"? With the Layers pane expanded so you can see the different Layers what you should be double-clicking is the Layer Name.

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  • Babette Munting

    Yes Brian, this is what wasn’t working. With installing the new update tonight I can at least name them even though it often takes multiple tries. The refine brushes are still erratic and not working as they should. I’ll just keep working on finding solutions. No need to respond.

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